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Swandog wrote:

Leedy wrote:

Swandog wrote:

Cardy wrote: Christ I know you are Swans supporters and want to think you won the game on merit by 6 points... Gee most other clubs recently have beaten them by a few more.. You miss the point entirely. You had Embley in which I was told didnt make a difference even though he had 24 disposals.. Peel were down to 1 on the Bench from half time. Considering this it equates to Fremantle took any advantage off them and considering the margin they would of most probably won the game..

It has also Made Perths and EF chances harder as you got a free 4 points giving you a game advantage.. Now I would of loved to have seen
Perth,EF and SD on 36 points and may the best man win but due to Fremantle playing games SD have got a get out of Jail card... And on top of that with your draw of CLA,EF,CLA you would not of been in the four

I know it is like telling a dead head Labor Voter that the party is not good and we need a new government to sort out the mess but like that arguement I certainly wont convince you of anything different so lets leave it there guys... See you in the last REAL round of WAFL footy at Basso..

Hahah Cardy mate I think you must be on the Bourbon tonite as you are speaking utter shit!! Whats this crap about a free 4 pts??? We are 3rd on merit mate and that's without help from the maggots on Saturday too! Good luck in the 2nd semi mate as your mob will need it..and remember Swans are the only side to shellack them (Claremont) this year (Subi beat them but not convincingly) and that was as BH pointed out when Newman left early, and you only fell in v Peel at Rushton Park yourself. Don't get ahead of yourself as it will bite you on the arse! Oh and I can hear the excuses re-injuries this week already if you happen to lose to East Frem, in fact I have heard them already from Leedy!!

Now that I have been dragged into this conversation, I will put my two bobs worth in. With the likes of Pettigrew, VanBerlo, Jones, Tedesco, Rassmussen and Johnson out of our line up for a lengthy period, I was only stating the obvious that we may not go into the finals with winning momentum, we may win the last two, who knows, SD chances of beating us will have grown dont you reckon Swandog ?

We have been able to answer the critics at every stumble this year and I will back us in, to do it again to round out the regular season. I am that confident about our flag chances this year because no one else rates us, big mistake ! On the other hand, SD are right up there as flag favourites as far as the critics are concerned, those are the same critics that you SD people bag the shit out of week to week.

At the end of the day, although your last game v CL was a ripper win, it counts for shit this week end as your form has been shit house since that game and your rated on current form not what you did 5 weeks ago !

Ahahaha anybody got a limerick!! Eye yeye yeye yeye...

There was an old prick from Palmyra, who was on the hunt for vag*na, he shagged an old hoar, who left his c*ck full of sores, the scarrs they remain as a reminder , eye eye eye eye, give three cheers for Rodney ! Great night the other night at the Rude gig, he has still got it the old bugger!!!

Leedy wrote:

Swandog wrote:

Leedy wrote:

Swandog wrote:

Cardy wrote: Christ I know you are Swans supporters and want to think you won the game on merit by 6 points... Gee most other clubs recently have beaten them by a few more.. You miss the point entirely. You had Embley in which I was told didnt make a difference even though he had 24 disposals.. Peel were down to 1 on the Bench from half time. Considering this it equates to Fremantle took any advantage off them and considering the margin they would of most probably won the game..

It has also Made Perths and EF chances harder as you got a free 4 points giving you a game advantage.. Now I would of loved to have seen
Perth,EF and SD on 36 points and may the best man win but due to Fremantle playing games SD have got a get out of Jail card... And on top of that with your draw of CLA,EF,CLA you would not of been in the four

I know it is like telling a dead head Labor Voter that the party is not good and we need a new government to sort out the mess but like that arguement I certainly wont convince you of anything different so lets leave it there guys... See you in the last REAL round of WAFL footy at Basso..

Hahah Cardy mate I think you must be on the Bourbon tonite as you are speaking utter shit!! Whats this crap about a free 4 pts??? We are 3rd on merit mate and that's without help from the maggots on Saturday too! Good luck in the 2nd semi mate as your mob will need it..and remember Swans are the only side to shellack them (Claremont) this year (Subi beat them but not convincingly) and that was as BH pointed out when Newman left early, and you only fell in v Peel at Rushton Park yourself. Don't get ahead of yourself as it will bite you on the arse! Oh and I can hear the excuses re-injuries this week already if you happen to lose to East Frem, in fact I have heard them already from Leedy!!

Now that I have been dragged into this conversation, I will put my two bobs worth in. With the likes of Pettigrew, VanBerlo, Jones, Tedesco, Rassmussen and Johnson out of our line up for a lengthy period, I was only stating the obvious that we may not go into the finals with winning momentum, we may win the last two, who knows, SD chances of beating us will have grown dont you reckon Swandog ?

We have been able to answer the critics at every stumble this year and I will back us in, to do it again to round out the regular season. I am that confident about our flag chances this year because no one else rates us, big mistake ! On the other hand, SD are right up there as flag favourites as far as the critics are concerned, those are the same critics that you SD people bag the shit out of week to week.

At the end of the day, although your last game v CL was a ripper win, it counts for shit this week end as your form has been shit house since that game and your rated on current form not what you did 5 weeks ago !

Ahahaha anybody got a limerick!! Eye yeye yeye yeye...

There was an old prick from Palmyra, who was on the hunt for vag*na, he shagged an old hoar, who left his c*ck full of sores, the scarrs they remain as a reminder , eye eye eye eye, give three cheers for Rodney ! Great night the other night at the Rude gig, he has still got it the old bugger!!!

Ahahah good one!

Clear-View wrote:

Cardy wrote:

Clear-View wrote: Next year will be great. 7 clubs will have the stability that will allow their teams to grow and develop whilst the other 2 will have more talent but greater instability.

CLear view I suggest you put your wipers on. I have heard this theory thrown around and just wont happen. WP will lose Hutchings and Mellington who have played a lot of WAFL games and that is only 2 out of the 7 clubs. EF and Cla will be hit hard
Now a lot of these guys wont hit the AFL next year and will continue to play consistant WAFL footy. Their skills are match winning and they wouldnt of been drafted in the first place if they were middle of the road footballers or just WAFL standard and that is the rest.

Without appearing sarcastic I suggest you are living in a dream world. Has anyone made a list up of Current WAFL players with AFL contracts who will be playing in these TWO sides next year? And that does not take into account Key players comming back from injury for a run.

The only possible benefit will be the WAFL players who are disallusioned moving to WAFL clubs but they wont be the cream of the crop BECAUSE PEEL AND EP will keep their key players to make up the numbers under contract and I suggest as the Salary cap will not include the AFL players the payments to these players will be paid a bit more than the Average to top line WAFL players in other clubs..

Food for thought... But we will see.. But I am sure my views are correct. The bottom line is IT SHOULDNT OF HAPPENED IN THE FIRST PLACE and we are feeling the effects already this year 2013 and the alignment hasnt even started.

Cardy I can understand that you're not happy with the alignment but your post appears very short sighted and narrow minded.

How many WP players have been drafted by WCE or Freo in the last 4 years?

I'm pretty sure the answer is one, Jack Darling.

Yes you will lose Mellington and Hutchings next year if they stay on current AFL lists but they are not WP products. Hutchings is EP/StK and Mellington is a vic.

So based on the last 4 years of drafting you will lose 1 WP player under the new alignment for the next 4 years. Hardly an impact at all.

The total amount of WAFL players taken in the National and preseason drafts by WCE & Freo over the last 4 years is 16. That equates to less than 1/2 a player per club per year, with EF 4, Clare 3 and Perth 3 being the main contributors of players.

So whilst there will be quite a bit of player movement in year 1 the subsequent years will see very minimal change.

It's also important to consider the welfare of the draftee. Why should WCE and Freo draftees be disadvantaged by having to spend time at clubs that have no link to AFL clubs. Shouldn't they be given every chance to succeed by having more contact with football specialist at AFL clubs?

Spot on dude. Except ya left the rookie draft out. Pardon the pun. After year 1 bugger all impact. It's all about the draftees man.

Yep your right RookieDraft. The WAFL clubs will still be feeders for the leeches and their billion dollar company. Thats all it will be.
Nothing from EP and Peel as their juniors will not even get to league level at those clubs. Just the 7 other clubs keeping the AFL alive with cattle for their comp to keep it alive.

Clear-View wrote:

Cardy wrote:

Clear-View wrote: Next year will be great. 7 clubs will have the stability that will allow their teams to grow and develop whilst the other 2 will have more talent but greater instability.

CLear view I suggest you put your wipers on. I have heard this theory thrown around and just wont happen. WP will lose Hutchings and Mellington who have played a lot of WAFL games and that is only 2 out of the 7 clubs. EF and Cla will be hit hard
Now a lot of these guys wont hit the AFL next year and will continue to play consistant WAFL footy. Their skills are match winning and they wouldnt of been drafted in the first place if they were middle of the road footballers or just WAFL standard and that is the rest.

Without appearing sarcastic I suggest you are living in a dream world. Has anyone made a list up of Current WAFL players with AFL contracts who will be playing in these TWO sides next year? And that does not take into account Key players comming back from injury for a run.

The only possible benefit will be the WAFL players who are disallusioned moving to WAFL clubs but they wont be the cream of the crop BECAUSE PEEL AND EP will keep their key players to make up the numbers under contract and I suggest as the Salary cap will not include the AFL players the payments to these players will be paid a bit more than the Average to top line WAFL players in other clubs..

Food for thought... But we will see.. But I am sure my views are correct. The bottom line is IT SHOULDNT OF HAPPENED IN THE FIRST PLACE and we are feeling the effects already this year 2013 and the alignment hasnt even started.

Cardy I can understand that you're not happy with the alignment but your post appears very short sighted and narrow minded.

How many WP players have been drafted by WCE or Freo in the last 4 years?

I'm pretty sure the answer is one, Jack Darling.

Yes you will lose Mellington and Hutchings next year if they stay on current AFL lists but they are not WP products. Hutchings is EP/StK and Mellington is a vic.

So based on the last 4 years of drafting you will lose 1 WP player under the new alignment for the next 4 years. Hardly an impact at all.

The total amount of WAFL players taken in the National and preseason drafts by WCE & Freo over the last 4 years is 16. That equates to less than 1/2 a player per club per year, with EF 4, Clare 3 and Perth 3 being the main contributors of players.

So whilst there will be quite a bit of player movement in year 1 the subsequent years will see very minimal change.

It's also important to consider the welfare of the draftee. Why should WCE and Freo draftees be disadvantaged by having to spend time at clubs that have no link to AFL clubs. Shouldn't they be given every chance to succeed by having more contact with football specialist at AFL clubs?

Interesting Clearview. How have the 2 AFL clubs been disadvantaged by the current model? West Coast have played in 5 Grand Finals & won 3 Premierships & Fremantle is currently heading towards finals. I would think draftees would be better served playing in an AFL reserves competition as they would be playing against similarly skilled players instead of WAFL grade players.

Leedy wrote:

Swandog wrote:

Cardy wrote: Christ I know you are Swans supporters and want to think you won the game on merit by 6 points... Gee most other clubs recently have beaten them by a few more.. You miss the point entirely. You had Embley in which I was told didnt make a difference even though he had 24 disposals.. Peel were down to 1 on the Bench from half time. Considering this it equates to Fremantle took any advantage off them and considering the margin they would of most probably won the game..

It has also Made Perths and EF chances harder as you got a free 4 points giving you a game advantage.. Now I would of loved to have seen
Perth,EF and SD on 36 points and may the best man win but due to Fremantle playing games SD have got a get out of Jail card... And on top of that with your draw of CLA,EF,CLA you would not of been in the four

I know it is like telling a dead head Labor Voter that the party is not good and we need a new government to sort out the mess but like that arguement I certainly wont convince you of anything different so lets leave it there guys... See you in the last REAL round of WAFL footy at Basso..

Hahah Cardy mate I think you must be on the Bourbon tonite as you are speaking utter shit!! Whats this crap about a free 4 pts??? We are 3rd on merit mate and that's without help from the maggots on Saturday too! Good luck in the 2nd semi mate as your mob will need it..and remember Swans are the only side to shellack them (Claremont) this year (Subi beat them but not convincingly) and that was as BH pointed out when Newman left early, and you only fell in v Peel at Rushton Park yourself. Don't get ahead of yourself as it will bite you on the arse! Oh and I can hear the excuses re-injuries this week already if you happen to lose to East Frem, in fact I have heard them already from Leedy!!

Now that I have been dragged into this conversation, I will put my two bobs worth in. With the likes of Pettigrew, VanBerlo, Jones, Tedesco, Rassmussen and Johnson out of our line up for a lengthy period, I was only stating the obvious that we may not go into the finals with winning momentum, we may win the last two, who knows, SD chances of beating us will have grown dont you reckon Swandog ?

We have been able to answer the critics at every stumble this year and I will back us in, to do it again to round out the regular season. I am that confident about our flag chances this year because no one else rates us, big mistake ! On the other hand, SD are right up there as flag favourites as far as the critics are concerned, those are the same critics that you SD people bag the shit out of week to week.

At the end of the day, although your last game v CL was a ripper win, it counts for shit this week end as your form has been shit house since that game and your rated on current form not what you did 5 weeks ago !

Leedy, I cannot understand why anyone would have Swans as one of the flag favourites after their last few performances against Peel and their inconsistent form this year. I think we are only 50/50 to even scrape into 4th and not many premierships historically have been won from there. West Perth have demonstrated to me that they are the major threat to Claremont.

Beasley Hutton wrote:

MarkOlsen wrote: the form Embley is in is hardly a bonus for Swans

Cardy was obviously not at the game MO judging by his report re Embley kicking the winning goal ..Jamie Bennell must have been incognito at the time ..also no comment re the 7-8 goals handed to Peel on a platter by Wardman & co that would have more than make up for Chrictons absense!!
Cardy Murray Newman left a game at qtr time a few weeks back & we got a couple injuries in the 2nd qtr of that same game & managed to win why couldnt Peel do the same?

To be fair to Cardy it was reported in the media that Embley kicked the winning goal even though Harding, myself and others though it was Bennell who actually kicked the goal.

Falcon Magic wrote: Yep, it will be a complete debacle next year with the full introduction of the aligned clubs. West Coast and Fremantle will not pay any heed to the integrity of the competition as a whole, they will just concern themselves with the AFL teams. The big losers here are the WAFL supporters. This is the legacy of Dorrington and the system he foisted on the WAFL as his parting gift.
Cardy is correct - it will not be a genuine comp next year and I am so disappointed.

F/M what happened with respect to Freo stopping a player from returning to the field after halftime is a very true representation of what Peel and East Perth have agreed to when they signed up for an alignment deal with the Eagles and Dockers. Winning a game of footy will not be a primary consideration for those clubs in the future. Having supporter Swans during a period where winning a game was of secondary importance was no fun and those who follow Peel and East Perth may well have that feeling more often than not in coming years.

IMO The WAFC has been bullied by Big Brother INTO THEIR DECISION and had no choice.

Demetriou is past his prime and just a power hungry prick. I agree with Kennett in a interview this morning that He should of gone 2 years ago as he is now not doing things in the interest of the AFL. He works with his small group and makes of the decisions (gee does that remind you of someone?) There is no longer any Openness or transparency at the top of AFL. Their decision making is flawed and has been for awhile.

The AFL should be charged with bringing the game into Disrepute and their credibility is shot. The WAFC has followed suit in their recent decision to appease the 2 AFL clubs and the AFL as a whole..

The WAFC is broke and have been forced into a corner IMO.
Lets not forget the cuts they are making to try and trade out of a deficit

YES ITS THE WAFL THE POOR RELATION WHO MUST SUFFER

EG From the West (GEE MR NISBETT HOPE YOU DIDNT PAY FOR THE TRIP TO NY? THAT COULD OF COVERED THE $14000 TAKEN OUT BELOW

WAFL clubs have been told that about $500,000 in cost savings have been identified, with $70,000 to come by axing a series of club allowances.

Clubs will no longer receive the finals allowance that was introduced in 2006, when semi and preliminary finals were moved from Subiaco Oval because of the prohibitive costs involved in staging WAFL matches there.

The finals allowance is about $56,000 - or $7000 for each team per finals match.

The decision to cut the allowance means that the team that plays three finals this season will have to find at least an extra $20,000 to pay its players - or nearly 10 per cent of its annual salary cap.

The commission will also cut a $14,000 zone allowance that was used primarily by Claremont (Kimberley) and Swan Districts (Pilbara) to service their regions.

South Fremantle president Haydn Raitt said clubs were disappointed about the cuts.

"It is pretty hard when you have to have your budgets in place at the start of the year only to be told that guaranteed amounts have been removed six months later," Raitt said.

The WAFC also has restructured its league operations, with Steve Hargrave becoming football general manager as long-time football director Grant Dorrington prepares to retire this month.

WAFL clubs will be fined $5000 if they approach another club's players without formal permission. The fine will increase from the current $500.

Full article from the West Online

au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/sport/a/-/wafl...bs-face-massive-hit/

WAFC DISASTER RECOVERY PLAN

Cardy wrote: Yep your right RookieDraft. The WAFL clubs will still be feeders for the leeches and their billion dollar company. Thats all it will be.
Nothing from EP and Peel as their juniors will not even get to league level at those clubs. Just the 7 other clubs keeping the AFL alive with cattle for their comp to keep it alive.

Hey bro, they're your words not mine. The alignment will be good for guys who get drafted by the eagles and dockers and as that other dude said after year 1 not much player movement. Love ya passion but your views are a bit distorted.