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A question just for others 1 month 3 weeks ago #201592

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DD yep Sneakers is or has become self assured but and it is a big but how can you in all honesty contemplate having a LNP government now or in the forseeable future. 

Todays costings fiasco is really the tip of the iceberg  and it is only going to get worse whilst the Libs keep shooting themselves in the collective feet.

It is a sad state of affairs which really down to the Barnett years (despite the good stuff) where debt became an overriding issue.

I vote for the left (but have voted right once or twice) and I think that whist Sneakers and others are arrogant I would rather have a level of arrogance in the alternative is ineptitude of the first order.

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A question just for others 1 month 3 weeks ago #201598

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As I said before, this year is going to be hard.  I want to vote Libs, but how can you vote for a bloke that threw the towel in before a vote was cast, then he topped it off by saying he’ll pull the pin if he doesn’t win his electorate.  You’d hate to be in the trenches with this bloke.  I like Jo C, but the poor woman must be wondering where they dragged this bloke up from because he sure as shit ain’t helping her cause.
2x25= Seinor and Michael = 1xBrian Peake

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A question just for others 1 month 3 weeks ago #201599

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Republic?  No way.  We’d end up like the corrupt and “greatest country in the worrrllld”.  Who in their right mind wants that?

There is no serious suggestion that an Australian Republic would be in any way similar to that of the USA.   The changes would be minimal by replacing the King or Queen and the GG with an Australian President whose powers would be that of the current GG.  It would also mean that it would be possible to have a Catholic Australian head of state.  



 

You are utterly and completely wrong on that' as a huge chunk of republicans favour the directly elected presidential style of the US, and its been the reason for the chronic division in the failed oz republic movement, there are many who point blank refuse to have politicians appoint a new head of state.

We have had a numerous Catholic GGs already and Jews as well, and there is a very strong Legal argument that the GG is actually the Australian head of State and the Monarch is "Sovereign" with no actual real power.




 

The GG is not our head of state.  See link below from the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade::

1.1 Head of State and Governor-General | Australian Government Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade (dfat.gov.au)

With respect to the division in those who would like an Australian Republic, I repeat there is no serious suggestion that Australia should adopt a USA style Republic.  Anyone who thinks that any referendum to change the Australian constitution to adopt a USA style Republic would gain a majority of voters and a majority of states is living in an alternate universe totally removed from reality.

 

The role of the Governor-General | Governor-General of the Commonwealth of Australia (gg.gov.au)

As stated the GG is the effective head of state.

Sorry Swan - Most Republicans support the direct election US style which is why the referedum failed in EVERY state,

The GG is not the Australian head of state period. 

It is a long way removed from a direct election by voters of a president of the Australia and a USA style republic.  A USA style Republic would never be passed in a referendum in Australia.   The referendum failed because Howard was able to divide the supporters of an Australian Republic.  I personally think the only way Australia will become a republic is if the poms get rid of the monarchy first.  Let's not forget that a referendum to ban the Communist Party failed.

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A question just for others 1 month 3 weeks ago #201602

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As I say you are wrong about that,

For a start there is no fixed definition of what a "head of state" is.

Secondly as the GG website states the GG is obvisoulsy the effective Hos as he/she alone excercises all the powers under the consitution, he is also the commander in chief of the military of Australia.

The referendum failure had nothing to do with Howard, it failed for the very reason you discuss, because half Australian Republicans wanted a direct elected US system however the constitutional convention delivered the president chosen by parliament model, and that was the version put to the people which was rejected in EVERY state. The direct selected republicans openly stated they would refuse to support the model the convention selected.

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As I say you are wrong about that,

For a start there is no fixed definition of what a "head of state" is.

Secondly as the GG website states the GG is obvisoulsy the effective Hos as he/she alone excercises all the powers under the consitution, he is also the commander in chief of the military of Australia.

The referendum failure had nothing to do with Howard, it failed for the very reason you discuss, because half Australian Republicans wanted a direct elected US system however the constitutional convention delivered the president chosen by parliament model, and that was the version put to the people which was rejected in EVERY state. The direct selected republicans openly stated they would refuse to support the model the convention selected.

The President Of the USA is elected by electors of the Electoral College.  Which supporters of an Australian Republic have advocated that an Australian president should be elected by an Australian Electoral College?    To preempt your response and to correct what you have been saying, undoubtedly there is a percentage of Australians, who want an Australian Republic, prefer a popularly elected President rather than one elected by the Australian Parliament.  However, such a proposal is not a USA style republic as the USA President is not elected by popular vote.  If the USA President was elected by the popular vote Hillary Clinton would have won the presidency in 2016 and from memory 7 of the last 8 USA presidential elections would have been won by the Democratic Party's candidate.

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A question just for others 1 month 3 weeks ago #201631

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The elctroal college is just one of many direct election models.

The US is a basket case Republic like many others , not that many run smoothly, France is up to its 5th or is it 6th model, Italy is a basket case of Governmental rotattion, Russia is a republic as well yet another gleaming example of Presidency,

Trump was a biggest add for the Constitutional Monarchy in centuries his near despotic coup the ludicrous situation of Senators voting over the votes of the people to look after their man,

Just over the border in Canada that has the same system as us, they looked on with a wry smile and they cruised along smoothly under the Crown. Maybe that stupid revolution that gave them the right to bear arms was a dumb idea after all :)

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Imagine the Canadian Governor General organizing a stop the steal rally, and getting thousands of supporters to raid parliament house in Ottawa to stop himself being removed.

Nah neither can I.

That stuffs reserved for republics.

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A question just for others 1 month 3 weeks ago #201641

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The elctroal college is just one of many direct election models.

The US is a basket case Republic like many others , not that many run smoothly, France is up to its 5th or is it 6th model, Italy is a basket case of Governmental rotattion, Russia is a republic as well yet another gleaming example of Presidency,

Trump was a biggest add for the Constitutional Monarchy in centuries his near despotic coup the ludicrous situation of Senators voting over the votes of the people to look after their man,

Just over the border in Canada that has the same system as us, they looked on with a wry smile and they cruised along smoothly under the Crown. Maybe that stupid revolution that gave them the right to bear arms was a dumb idea after all :)

It is the USA style of republic.  The electors of the Electoral College elect the President and Vice-President of the USA.  It is then confirmed by the House of Reps and Senate.

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The elctroal college is just one of many direct election models.

The US is a basket case Republic like many others , not that many run smoothly, France is up to its 5th or is it 6th model, Italy is a basket case of Governmental rotattion, Russia is a republic as well yet another gleaming example of Presidency,

Trump was a biggest add for the Constitutional Monarchy in centuries his near despotic coup the ludicrous situation of Senators voting over the votes of the people to look after their man,

Just over the border in Canada that has the same system as us, they looked on with a wry smile and they cruised along smoothly under the Crown. Maybe that stupid revolution that gave them the right to bear arms was a dumb idea after all :)

Just a further comment re - the right to bear arms.  I sincerely hope we have the same view on this.  The fact that 5 and 6 year olds are subject to active gun shooter drills is a damning indictment on the USA society.

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