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Ted Nugent wrote:

Archie, not having a go at you or the EP guys who post here because I know you are all die hard EP fans. But - and this is just based on a small sample size - my experience with EP fans is that they loved the alignments when they worked for the club. So 2000-01, they were cock-a-hoop, likewise 2014, but their enthusiasm waned when success fell away. At the same time, the attitude was always, when successful, it was nothing to do with the alignment, and when not successful, solely the fault of the alignment. So my concern is that a lot of EP fans, certainly the more casual ones, will happily accept and rationalise an alignment if they think it benefits the club.


 
no disrepect ted but very few non east perth supporters can understand the differences in the two alignments.yes the first one involved premierhips but it was was who got games that mattered.some games involved less then 2-3 eagles players.i could see once a few of the seasoned players retired.after 2014 that the eagles  would try to stack the league side with more rookie players who needed to play  a lot of reserves to get to league standard.this didn't happen.case in point was cat b rookie irishman  paddie brophy who played league from round 1.players who were from the tac under 19's who never against men got league games from the start of the season.any east perth player who lost form were dropped to the reserves yet tom lamb could not be dropped to the ressies because he was a eagle..the second alignment was not going to work except for financial.i said from the start that if we didn't win a premiership in the first two years we wouldn't and that's how it went.i can think of a million reasons why we won't go back.

Back to reality and now, the club has a problem and it needs to to fix it but it won't happen this season.

We differ on where the problem lies but given we all support the same team and want it to be successful we better all hope a solution is found and found quickly. If it isn't we have a bigger one next year cos I reckon that what was supposed to happen with the last quisling process will certainly happen at seasons end and no amount of recruiting will fix it!

No one that I know liked the first alignment but it was a better model for the league.  Financially it didn’t help EP but the second model did. However the second incarnation was more of a takeover. 
I see in team selection nothing much has changed so poor performance is rewarded again. 

Being a East Perth & Claremont (mainly reserves) player has assisted Uncle Twevor's career post football and does a go a way unravelling the alignment(s) 
Actually he had 3 or 4 goes at football from memory failed at all of them too

Rationalising the first alignment as you guys continue to proves my point. EP fans will rationalise the alignment if it brings success. The drums only starting seriously beating in the second one when you stopped making finals. We have been down this path so many times before. It will never be reconciled, but no WAFL fan other than EP will ever recognise the 00-01 flags as legitimate. So if another alignment happened, and you made finals, but only 8 or so Eagles players played on average, most EP blokes - except Grump - would all be on here saying, yet again, "we only had a handful of Eagles playing, it's all our boys." It's not about the number of players in any given week,. nor how well they play, it's about selling out, irrespective of on-field success.

Ted every EP supporter I know thinks the 2000 era flags are tainted so I don’t get your argument at all. The opinion of a few forum posters does not reflect the thoughts of the greater supporter base. Your completely wrong if you think success under an alignment made it palatable. 

Grump wrote:

Back to reality and now, the club has a problem and it needs to to fix it but it won't happen this season.

We differ on where the problem lies but given we all support the same team and want it to be successful we better all hope a solution is found and found quickly. If it isn't we have a bigger one next year cos I reckon that what was supposed to happen with the last quisling process will certainly happen at seasons end and no amount of recruiting will fix it!

it is a complex problem.is it coaching?.poor recruiting.player retention?several players have left the club in the last two years.some who would make us a better team are asher samalko,tom gorter,callum hart,jamie rudrem,tom hooper.the last two years we have battled to keep our recruits on the field.last year it was freeman who wasn't replaced..this year watts has missed 6 games.schumacher 5 games,robertson 4 games,and edwards baldwin 3 games.add ramsay who is arguably our best player who has missed 6 games.it has shown up our lack of depth.hopefullly after the bye we might have nearly our best time playing and might eek out a few wins.questions need to be asked at the agm but it needs to be more then about recruiting.

Maybe we can recruit  players of the calibre of of Kane Munro,David Antonowicz, Michael O'brien and Jeremy Humm who according to some very astute judges catapulted us to some extraordinary success,and maybe we can once again play in front of those 30,000 plus crowds which are numbers we haven't seen since 2000 and 2002,and with players of this ilk we won't be requiring coaches of the quality of Tony Micale.because our side will be travelling in absolute AUTOPILOT.!!!!

You believe whatever helps you through, RL. The rest of us will look at the fact that in 1999, EP won 5 games with a % of 66 (ahead of only a winless Peel, who you beat 3 times), then went onto finish on top and win the flag the very next year. We will ask ourselves what the variable was from one year to the next and form our own conclusions.

Yeah funny that teddy boy especially when we went on a eight match unbeaten run in 1998 and played finals,but i don't suppose injuries,player and coach disharmony and your best defender returning to Colllie would have had anything to do with it,and how the aligned Claremont missed the finals in 1999 with those hall of famers at their disposal is anyones guess.