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BC wrote: My take on Turnbull is that he should have been allowed to go to the next election and accept whatever fate eventually played out. What's yours and how do you think Shorten will go?

Exactly my thoughts, let him take them in and if he lost he would of owned it and packed up and left, at least all the hacks like Bolt and Jones and Co could of blamed him for ever and a day, its going to be pretty hard sell blaming him now as the polls collapse around them due to their dumb move.

Morrison is starting to look more and more like a dead duck , floundering around , shouting thought bubbles and slogans like a used car sales man...he's basically toast.

Shorten , if he moderates a but he might hang on , but the ALP is more lethal faction wise than the libs, if the left don't get their way on refugees expect trouble, if he cuts lose on high taxes as planned expect a huge public back lash, Albo is always there as a threat, how long Shorten lasts is anyones guess.

If he doesn't do something about power prices on the east coast they are toast.

Personally I always thought it was totally gutless to remove leaders and not let the people decide their fate, as you say the last 12 years have been a shambles.,

Bazza wrote:

gtrxuone wrote: Malcolm from the outside looking in seem to struggle as a politician and priminister. Probably would of been a great Labour PM.He would of been like the Canadian PM.
The LNP has governed about 70% of the time since Federation. And has done a reasonable job most of the time.They have been a horrible government the last 5.5 years.

Struggled? He won Wentworth by 30,000 votes and had a margin of 17.5 %, if that's struggling how did Sharma go?

He had a 2 PP of 49 51 when they axed him , no sitting PM has ever lost an election from there..

Now they are 46 56 with 6 months to go with a failed advertising bloke filling in time.

Latest poling has them collapsing in every state since the leadership change.

Your right he was a very popular MP for Wentworth.. But he lost a massive majority at. The last election.

Bazza wrote: Have to say I agree with you, Swan, it was painful to watch Kenny election night trying to dig himself out a hole he created, not as bad as Alan Jones, who's delusion is almost weird - saying the people of Wentworth voted against the Liberals - wait for it because of Turnbull being PM?? and for having him in the job at all...work that out....he just cant accept he got it wrong and that the people of Wentworth wanted him and not Sharma.

Like you I have no doubt at all that Abbott was on track for a one term defeat, the polls were clear on that.

Latest Newspolls since the Turnbull removal, indicated a nationwide collapse in the LNP vote, gee who would of guess, they get rid of their one and only asset and biggest donor..

They will get wiped out, its going to take that wack any sense into them, the only good thing I can see is that Dutton and possible Abbott are a almost certain to get the flick.

Bazza very rarely are we in accord!!!!!

There has been a very concerted attempt to re-write history by Peta Credlin, Paul Murray (Sky News) et al with respect to the reason behind Turnbull becoming PM and how he performed atthe 2016 election. Quite clearly the coalition would have lost, and lost badly, if Abbott had been the PM in the 2016 election.

What has also been singularly amusing is the indignation by the same commentators about the effort Labor put in to the Wentworth by-election and contemporaneously trying to deflect from the result by talking about the drop in the Labor vote in Wentworth when it was in Labor's best interests to finish 3rd. Indeed it was obvious that Labor Party supporters in the electorate voted for Phelps to ensure that she finished in the top 2 prior to the distribution of preferences.

I defy any sane person to try to contend that the Liberal Party has moved to the left in the past 20 years. I would think that Dutton will not be a member of the House of Reps after the next election. As for Abbott I suspect that in the presence of a strong Independent standing against him, his chances of winning would be less than 40%. That in conjunction with the expected rout of the Liberals will allow a Labor Government to finally put in place measures to reduce our CO2 emissions finally and definitively.

It is likely to be a very different make-up in the next parliament. In addition to get ridding of those of the ilk of Dutton, Abbott et al, the likes of Bernardi will have gone as well.

anchorman wrote: Hopefully what happened on the weekend will carry over here in WA, and we will see the demolition of the Righteous Right as a party in WA.
Interesting to hear that the splurge of postal votes that close the gap to fewer than a 1000, were all cast prior to Turnbulls removal.

A/man I am not quite sure that is right. The obvious reason that postals favoured Sharma is that 12.5% of the electorate are Jews and a significant number would not turn up on polling day and would vote absentee or postal. Of the other 87.5% , many were waiting baseball bats in hand.

gtrxuone wrote:

Bazza wrote:

gtrxuone wrote: Malcolm from the outside looking in seem to struggle as a politician and priminister. Probably would of been a great Labour PM.He would of been like the Canadian PM.
The LNP has governed about 70% of the time since Federation. And has done a reasonable job most of the time.They have been a horrible government the last 5.5 years.

Struggled? He won Wentworth by 30,000 votes and had a margin of 17.5 %, if that's struggling how did Sharma go?

He had a 2 PP of 49 51 when they axed him , no sitting PM has ever lost an election from there..

Now they are 46 56 with 6 months to go with a failed advertising bloke filling in time.

Latest poling has them collapsing in every state since the leadership change.

Your right he was a very popular MP for Wentworth.. But he lost a massive majority at. The last election.

some things to note, the Abbott government were on track for a shocking loss after 1 year in power, they had tanked 6 points behind 2PP, its true that a heap of seats fell 2016 , but he saved them from a 1 term embarrassment, strategy wise he went to late and the campaign was far too long, what he lost he Queensland , saved in Victoria NSW WA and SA..

swan42 wrote:

Bazza wrote: Have to say I agree with you, Swan, it was painful to watch Kenny election night trying to dig himself out a hole he created, not as bad as Alan Jones, who's delusion is almost weird - saying the people of Wentworth voted against the Liberals - wait for it because of Turnbull being PM?? and for having him in the job at all...work that out....he just cant accept he got it wrong and that the people of Wentworth wanted him and not Sharma.

Like you I have no doubt at all that Abbott was on track for a one term defeat, the polls were clear on that.

Latest Newspolls since the Turnbull removal, indicated a nationwide collapse in the LNP vote, gee who would of guess, they get rid of their one and only asset and biggest donor..

They will get wiped out, its going to take that wack any sense into them, the only good thing I can see is that Dutton and possible Abbott are a almost certain to get the flick.

Bazza very rarely are we in accord!!!!!

There has been a very concerted attempt to re-write history by Peta Credlin, Paul Murray (Sky News) et al with respect to the reason behind Turnbull becoming PM and how he performed atthe 2016 election. Quite clearly the coalition would have lost, and lost badly, if Abbott had been the PM in the 2016 election.

What has also been singularly amusing is the indignation by the same commentators about the effort Labor put in to the Wentworth by-election and contemporaneously trying to deflect from the result by talking about the drop in the Labor vote in Wentworth when it was in Labor's best interests to finish 3rd. Indeed it was obvious that Labor Party supporters in the electorate voted for Phelps to ensure that she finished in the top 2 prior to the distribution of preferences.

I defy any sane person to try to contend that the Liberal Party has moved to the left in the past 20 years. I would think that Dutton will not be a member of the House of Reps after the next election. As for Abbott I suspect that in the presence of a strong Independent standing against him, his chances of winning would be less than 40%. That in conjunction with the expected rout of the Liberals will allow a Labor Government to finally put in place measures to reduce our CO2 emissions finally and definitively.

It is likely to be a very different make-up in the next parliament. In addition to get ridding of those of the ilk of Dutton, Abbott et al, the likes of Bernardi will have gone as well.

Dutton is toast , his pathetic 1.9% margin will go in a puff of smoke, Abbott is toast as well, he is now toxic goods after orchestrating the MT plot, Caro is running by the sounds and she fits the bill for the Northern beaches area.

Bernardi will still be there , he is on a half term with another 3 years to run...after that he's cooked, but I reckon he will jump back to the Libs for a senate seat.

In WA
Porter, Irons and sadly Wyatt will pay the price all gone. Porter will probably end up back here in State politics, but he is done Federally.

Bishop will survive and for mine will end up leader of the opposition.

swan42 wrote:

anchorman wrote: Hopefully what happened on the weekend will carry over here in WA, and we will see the demolition of the Righteous Right as a party in WA.
Interesting to hear that the splurge of postal votes that close the gap to fewer than a 1000, were all cast prior to Turnbulls removal.

A/man I am not quite sure that is right. The obvious reason that postals favoured Sharma is that 12.5% of the electorate are Jews and a significant number would not turn up on polling day and would vote absentee or postal. Of the other 87.5% , many were waiting baseball bats in hand.

Err... you cant actually vote until the election is called, in other words AFTER a sitting member has resigned....

pretty basic stuff,

what did happen was the rather nutty statement of moving the Israel Embassy happened after the Jews in the seat had voted, as they don't vote on Saturday being the Jewish Sabbath, so they vote before by post.

Bazza wrote:

swan42 wrote:

anchorman wrote: Hopefully what happened on the weekend will carry over here in WA, and we will see the demolition of the Righteous Right as a party in WA.
Interesting to hear that the splurge of postal votes that close the gap to fewer than a 1000, were all cast prior to Turnbulls removal.

A/man I am not quite sure that is right. The obvious reason that postals favoured Sharma is that 12.5% of the electorate are Jews and a significant number would not turn up on polling day and would vote absentee or postal. Of the other 87.5% , many were waiting baseball bats in hand.

Err... you cant actually vote until the election is called, in other words AFTER a sitting member has resigned....

pretty basic stuff,

what did happen was the rather nutty statement of moving the Israel Embassy happened after the Jews in the seat had voted, as they don't vote on Saturday being the Jewish Sabbath, so they vote before by post.

hahaha...yep...I thought I was missing something as well...maybe the good burghers of Wentworth are all clairevoyant.

Bazza wrote:

gtrxuone wrote:

Bazza wrote:

gtrxuone wrote: Malcolm from the outside looking in seem to struggle as a politician and priminister. Probably would of been a great Labour PM.He would of been like the Canadian PM.
The LNP has governed about 70% of the time since Federation. And has done a reasonable job most of the time.They have been a horrible government the last 5.5 years.

Struggled? He won Wentworth by 30,000 votes and had a margin of 17.5 %, if that's struggling how did Sharma go?

He had a 2 PP of 49 51 when they axed him , no sitting PM has ever lost an election from there..

Now they are 46 56 with 6 months to go with a failed advertising bloke filling in time.

Latest poling has them collapsing in every state since the leadership change.

Your right he was a very popular MP for Wentworth.. But he lost a massive majority at. The last election.

some things to note, the Abbott government were on track for a shocking loss after 1 year in power, they had tanked 6 points behind 2PP, its true that a heap of seats fell 2016 , but he saved them from a 1 term embarrassment, strategy wise he went to late and the campaign was far too long, what he lost he Queensland , saved in Victoria NSW WA and SA..

Baz I'm just not sure Malcolm was nasty enough to be a successful Polotition.When you compare him to Julia,Rudd,Abbot,Shorten ,Dutton.All thoes mentioned will stab a college at the drop of a hat.Thats one of the reasons he's walked away imo.

When people make comparisons between Abbot and Turnbull -- you need to remember that Tony went arond upsetting people, whereas, Malcolm, on the other hand, went around pretending to be nice and still could not get a vote.

They made the right decision the parliamentary party -- Malcolm was cock-up after a cock up -- changing the GST, letting the states levy personal income tax -- but, the biggest cock-up of all was 'the double disillusion election' , which being a great 'progressive' he was going to use to crack down on the ACTU. Well that went really well for our Malc and everybody else got the blame but him.

The same thing would have happened had they let him go to the next election