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Having said all of this, pokies won't save your club.

Our local bowling club just went under and they had around 17 machines. Pensioners putting in the odd $1 doesn't pay the bills.

Have to agree with anchorman and others -- pokies will do more harm than good. Any revenue gained will be eaten into by the social and economic destitution which will increase following the introduction of the machines.

Also, I feel the culture is slightly different over here, people tending to drink more at home and other people's homes. In the East they are attached to their local league or vfl club more strongly -- the east is more British in that respect.

Anchor: No one is deleting messages in this link, although has gone off track a wee bit.

Ark: I dunno if it is more British over here, I'd honestly say WA is more so. Clubs (RSL, Leagues, Aussie Rules, bowling clubs, sports clubs etc) here are different.

People see it more of an outing. $5 social membership's get you in and in some cases cheaper beer ($3.90 for a 485ml schooner), or $10 steak and chips. Combine this with $5 - $10 of raffle tickets for meat trays PLUS some clubs have kids entertainment, it can be a reasonably cheap night out.

What the WAFL clubs should do is join together and buy a few smaller clubs in the Eastern States, they only need to be sports clubs - WAFL clubs with Pokies.

Bazza wrote:

yolo swaggins wrote: Introducing pokies will do more damage than good.

They seem to cope in every other state in Australia, bar us , as far as I can see the sky hasnt fallen in in Melbourne, Adelaide or even Hobart, unfortunatly the states revenue schemes are now very limited, if you have some more options I'd like to hear them.

Besides they would be a huge help for WAFL clubs.

Do you think they advertise the massive debt that pokies put people in? And its usually the people who cant afford to play pokies that actually do play them.

Heres an idea, the poli's from WA grow some balls and speak up for themselves / kick up a fuss about the other states have extra revenue but not pay tax on it?

ArkRoyal wrote: Have to agree with anchorman and others -- pokies will do more harm than good. Any revenue gained will be eaten into by the social and economic destitution which will increase following the introduction of the machines.

Also, I feel the culture is slightly different over here, people tending to drink more at home and other people's homes. In the East they are attached to their local league or vfl club more strongly -- the east is more British in that respect.

Mate the only reason people drink at home so much in WA now is because its SO BLOODY EXPENSIVE.

Paying 11 - 12 bucks for a Pint of Beer is beyond a joke, a main course meal is just about 40 bucks now.

This was not always the case, pubs were packed on Friday nights as were all sorts of Social Clubs.

If the GST goes up, as I think it should ( for otehr reasons), guess what things will go up even more here and the other states will not be as harder hit.

yolo swaggins wrote:

Bazza wrote:

yolo swaggins wrote: Introducing pokies will do more damage than good.

They seem to cope in every other state in Australia, bar us , as far as I can see the sky hasnt fallen in in Melbourne, Adelaide or even Hobart, unfortunatly the states revenue schemes are now very limited, if you have some more options I'd like to hear them.

Besides they would be a huge help for WAFL clubs.

Do you think they advertise the massive debt that pokies put people in? And its usually the people who cant afford to play pokies that actually do play them.

Heres an idea, the poli's from WA grow some balls and speak up for themselves / kick up a fuss about the other states have extra revenue but not pay tax on it?

Plenty of people moaned about the pokies, Nick Xenphone has crapped on about it for years, when it came to crunch and the ALP said they would do something, guess what they did bugger all becasue all the working class people in there electorates kicked up and stink and said dont stuff up our fun , leave the clubs alone.

here's an idea - you learn the basics about the GST rules, mainly ALL states have to agree with a change, no change can happen unless all states, agree,,now what are the chances of that when we are the only ones shafting ourselves, its been broughts up before, and you know what NSW and Vic say,,Oh well thats a decision you in WA have made on your own..its your choice to go without extra revenue, so suck it up - were not changing SFA. 1 v the rest good luck with that.


Meanwhile in 1950's WA.

MikeXU1 wrote: Anchor: No one is deleting messages in this link, although has gone off track a wee bit.

Ark: I dunno if it is more British over here, I'd honestly say WA is more so. Clubs (RSL, Leagues, Aussie Rules, bowling clubs, sports clubs etc) here are different.

People see it more of an outing. $5 social membership's get you in and in some cases cheaper beer ($3.90 for a 485ml schooner), or $10 steak and chips. Combine this with $5 - $10 of raffle tickets for meat trays PLUS some clubs have kids entertainment, it can be a reasonably cheap night out.

What the WAFL clubs should do is join together and buy a few smaller clubs in the Eastern States, they only need to be sports clubs - WAFL clubs with Pokies.

Not sure, think the business has to be State Based to get a liecence, but maybe its possible, moreover, why should our clubs go to stupid lengnths to circumvent the backward sysytem here just to earn a fair quid.

People here always bang on about how much better the SANFL is, etc more money more people etc,,well cruise down a SANFL club and see members happily having a punt supporting their clubs that do far better than ours.

MikeXU1 wrote: Having said all of this, pokies won't save your club.

Our local bowling club just went under and they had around 17 machines. Pensioners putting in the odd $1 doesn't pay the bills.

Probaly kept it going longer than was expected,,,


Many BC's clubs in Perth are already with a few more on the brink.

But the social clubs in Freo have been devasted, the Fremantle Club gone, The Commercial Club Gone, and now the Workers Club is merging with the SFFC.

WAFL clubs just have mounting debts,,,year in year out,,bar 1.

MikeXU1 wrote: Pokie takings for Victorian AFL Clubs last financial year

Carlton $17.5m
Collingwood $12.7m
Essendon $11.9m
Geelong $8m
Hawthorn $18.6m
Melbourne $9.4m
North (none and struggling).
Richmond $4.1m
St. Kilda $2.2m
Footscray $4.3m

Footscray will apparently double as they have another 70 machines coming.

Remembering NSW and QLD and SA have pokies too.

Machines are geared for around 90c in $1 return (here in NSW anyway).

Holy Shit!

Imagine just half of that coming in to a WAFL club.

do you have SANFL figures?

In 2012 the SANFL's 291 affiliated clubs used 400 machines to generate $28 million of the sport's annual $115 million revenue base.