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I was at the grand final against Hawthorn and we didnt lose because we ran out of steam, rather The Hawks handled the conditions better than Freo and Freo were still well in it till maybe the last 5 mins. I think more it showed a lacking of skill under extreme pressure bought Freo undone and sometimes, not under pressure. He gets to pick the list now and I'm sure skills will play a big part in the players that stay and the players that come into the club.

Getting close on the big day means nothing.. 17 other teams are in the same boat its how you go about it the next season to be better.. You don't achieve anything coming 2nd if you fall away after that..Yep it's brutal but its reality.

JB wrote: I was at the grand final against Hawthorn and we didnt lose because we ran out of steam, rather The Hawks handled the conditions better than Freo and Freo were still well in it till maybe the last 5 mins. I think more it showed a lacking of skill under extreme pressure bought Freo undone and sometimes, not under pressure. He gets to pick the list now and I'm sure skills will play a big part in the players that stay and the players that come into the club.

Yeah I was there as well if anything we finished stronger just couldn't put the score on the board, as for players running out of steam it hasn't impacted Rewoldts career, Lenny Hayes who played a lot of good footy after Lyon left the Saints, I think its the skill level which brought his game plan undone.

Peter North wrote:

JB wrote: I was at the grand final against Hawthorn and we didnt lose because we ran out of steam, rather The Hawks handled the conditions better than Freo and Freo were still well in it till maybe the last 5 mins. I think more it showed a lacking of skill under extreme pressure bought Freo undone and sometimes, not under pressure. He gets to pick the list now and I'm sure skills will play a big part in the players that stay and the players that come into the club.

Yeah I was there as well if anything we finished stronger just couldn't put the score on the board, as for players running out of steam it hasn't impacted Rewoldts career, Lenny Hayes who played a lot of good footy after Lyon left the Saints, I think its the skill level which brought his game plan undone.

BUT he brought in soldiers rather than skilled players in the hope of winning a flag, didnt work then and didnt work with Freo. Lets not forget he had 9 AA's t the saints. Lets also not forget in the rain in the GF he left a wet weather player Ball on the bench in the last quarter. He is a good coach i agree, the again he goes in that eade class if he dont win a flag.

UNKA2 wrote:

Peter North wrote:

JB wrote: I was at the grand final against Hawthorn and we didnt lose because we ran out of steam, rather The Hawks handled the conditions better than Freo and Freo were still well in it till maybe the last 5 mins. I think more it showed a lacking of skill under extreme pressure bought Freo undone and sometimes, not under pressure. He gets to pick the list now and I'm sure skills will play a big part in the players that stay and the players that come into the club.

Yeah I was there as well if anything we finished stronger just couldn't put the score on the board, as for players running out of steam it hasn't impacted Rewoldts career, Lenny Hayes who played a lot of good footy after Lyon left the Saints, I think its the skill level which brought his game plan undone.

BUT he brought in soldiers rather than skilled players in the hope of winning a flag, didnt work then and didnt work with Freo. Lets not forget he had 9 AA's t the saints. Lets also not forget in the rain in the GF he left a wet weather player Ball on the bench in the last quarter. He is a good coach i agree, the again he goes in that eade class if he dont win a flag.

If your going come on this board get your facts right the only players that werent originally on the list grand final day were D.Peace and Dawson the rest were there before he got there, there are maybe two or three who were picked up after 2013 hardly loading up on foot soldiers.

Like I said opinion of plebs on Ozfooty regarding Lyons coaching ability mean jack I value the opinions of his peers , I kniw some people have a problem with his ultra defensive style , and I know I'm repeating myself the Saints side of 2009 had a percentage of 190 after the home and away, Heck Freo's % was 150 after round ten last year.But hey if you hate the guy you'll be blind to these facts.

Peter North wrote:

UNKA2 wrote:

Peter North wrote:

JB wrote: I was at the grand final against Hawthorn and we didnt lose because we ran out of steam, rather The Hawks handled the conditions better than Freo and Freo were still well in it till maybe the last 5 mins. I think more it showed a lacking of skill under extreme pressure bought Freo undone and sometimes, not under pressure. He gets to pick the list now and I'm sure skills will play a big part in the players that stay and the players that come into the club.

Yeah I was there as well if anything we finished stronger just couldn't put the score on the board, as for players running out of steam it hasn't impacted Rewoldts career, Lenny Hayes who played a lot of good footy after Lyon left the Saints, I think its the skill level which brought his game plan undone.

BUT he brought in soldiers rather than skilled players in the hope of winning a flag, didnt work then and didnt work with Freo. Lets not forget he had 9 AA's t the saints. Lets also not forget in the rain in the GF he left a wet weather player Ball on the bench in the last quarter. He is a good coach i agree, the again he goes in that eade class if he dont win a flag.

If your going come on this board get your facts right the only players that werent originally on the list grand final day were D.Peace and Dawson the rest were there before he got there, there are maybe two or three who were picked up after 2013 hardly loading up on foot soldiers.

Like I said opinion of plebs on Ozfooty regarding Lyons coaching ability mean jack I value the opinions of his peers , I kniw some people have a problem with his ultra defensive style , and I know I'm repeating myself the Saints side of 2009 had a percentage of 190 after the home and away, Heck Freo's % was 150 after round ten last year.But hey if you hate the guy you'll be blind to these facts.

Heres a fact, left a wet weather player in Ball on the bench v cats in 2009, ball was ideal for that sorta match, i dont hate the guy, just think he is an under acheiever. Did he have 9 aa players in the team at the time??, yet still couldn't win a flag.

Lyon arrived with 9 AA players and left the saints with no new ones.

Slice and dice it anyway you like.

UNKA2 wrote:

Peter North wrote:

UNKA2 wrote:

Peter North wrote:

JB wrote: I was at the grand final against Hawthorn and we didnt lose because we ran out of steam, rather The Hawks handled the conditions better than Freo and Freo were still well in it till maybe the last 5 mins. I think more it showed a lacking of skill under extreme pressure bought Freo undone and sometimes, not under pressure. He gets to pick the list now and I'm sure skills will play a big part in the players that stay and the players that come into the club.

Yeah I was there as well if anything we finished stronger just couldn't put the score on the board, as for players running out of steam it hasn't impacted Rewoldts career, Lenny Hayes who played a lot of good footy after Lyon left the Saints, I think its the skill level which brought his game plan undone.

BUT he brought in soldiers rather than skilled players in the hope of winning a flag, didnt work then and didnt work with Freo. Lets not forget he had 9 AA's t the saints. Lets also not forget in the rain in the GF he left a wet weather player Ball on the bench in the last quarter. He is a good coach i agree, the again he goes in that eade class if he dont win a flag.

If your going come on this board get your facts right the only players that werent originally on the list grand final day were D.Peace and Dawson the rest were there before he got there, there are maybe two or three who were picked up after 2013 hardly loading up on foot soldiers.

Like I said opinion of plebs on Ozfooty regarding Lyons coaching ability mean jack I value the opinions of his peers , I kniw some people have a problem with his ultra defensive style , and I know I'm repeating myself the Saints side of 2009 had a percentage of 190 after the home and away, Heck Freo's % was 150 after round ten last year.But hey if you hate the guy you'll be blind to these facts.

Heres a fact, left a wet weather player in Ball on the bench v cats in 2009, ball was ideal for that sorta match, i dont hate the guy, just think he is an under acheiever. Did he have 9 aa players in the team at the time??, yet still couldn't win a flag.

So what that wasn't the reason they lost the game, the utter domination of the second quarter with out being able to put the score on the board is where they lost the game.

Regarding Ball does anyone actually know why he was left on the bench, maybe he didn't follow Ithe coaches instructions I don't know and from what I can remember he certainly wasn't a match winner in the Saints side.

How many AA did the Cats have against Hawthorn in 2008?, again bad kicking probably cost them the game shit happens sometimes in GF's.

UNKA2 wrote: Lyon arrived with 9 AA players and left the saints with no new ones.

Slice and dice it anyway you like.

Ahh AA players are what define coaches now, well done Ross 4 new all Australians since he became coach.

Peter North wrote:

UNKA2 wrote:

Peter North wrote:

UNKA2 wrote:

Peter North wrote:

JB wrote: I was at the grand final against Hawthorn and we didnt lose because we ran out of steam, rather The Hawks handled the conditions better than Freo and Freo were still well in it till maybe the last 5 mins. I think more it showed a lacking of skill under extreme pressure bought Freo undone and sometimes, not under pressure. He gets to pick the list now and I'm sure skills will play a big part in the players that stay and the players that come into the club.

Yeah I was there as well if anything we finished stronger just couldn't put the score on the board, as for players running out of steam it hasn't impacted Rewoldts career, Lenny Hayes who played a lot of good footy after Lyon left the Saints, I think its the skill level which brought his game plan undone.

BUT he brought in soldiers rather than skilled players in the hope of winning a flag, didnt work then and didnt work with Freo. Lets not forget he had 9 AA's t the saints. Lets also not forget in the rain in the GF he left a wet weather player Ball on the bench in the last quarter. He is a good coach i agree, the again he goes in that eade class if he dont win a flag.

If your going come on this board get your facts right the only players that werent originally on the list grand final day were D.Peace and Dawson the rest were there before he got there, there are maybe two or three who were picked up after 2013 hardly loading up on foot soldiers.

Like I said opinion of plebs on Ozfooty regarding Lyons coaching ability mean jack I value the opinions of his peers , I kniw some people have a problem with his ultra defensive style , and I know I'm repeating myself the Saints side of 2009 had a percentage of 190 after the home and away, Heck Freo's % was 150 after round ten last year.But hey if you hate the guy you'll be blind to these facts.

Heres a fact, left a wet weather player in Ball on the bench v cats in 2009, ball was ideal for that sorta match, i dont hate the guy, just think he is an under acheiever. Did he have 9 aa players in the team at the time??, yet still couldn't win a flag.

So what that wasn't the reason they lost the game, the utter domination of the second quarter with out being able to put the score on the board is where they lost the game.

Regarding Ball does anyone actually know why he was left on the bench, maybe he didn't follow Ithe coaches instructions I don't know and from what I can remember he certainly wasn't a match winner in the Saints side.

How many AA did the Cats have against Hawthorn in 2008?, again bad kicking probably cost them the game shit happens sometimes in GF's.

Yeah true but the cats though they did WIN in 2009 qnd 2011, alas not Ross's mob could do that. I'd have Ball on the field any day rather than Peake!!. Maybe Ross left ball on the bench cos he wasnt good enough to see what was required the WIN a GF. Excuses excuses , good teams/coaches WIN. Had a chance in 2010 as well, what happened there PN??, from memory Collingwood kicked badly BUT won the match the following week.