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Dirty Weekender wrote: Further evidence of the problems with the current code. Yes he is a fool for taking a painkiller not prescribed from his club doctor and will wear the cost most likely for 2 years which will end his career but then you look at a player taking 17 cortisone shots within a week to get up to play on grand final day and you got to ask yourself what is the difference. Both are painkillers at the end of the day and what doctor in his right mind would prescribe 17 cortisone shots within a 7 day period. Can only assume Crowley kicked 12 goals, had 45 possessions and tagged 3 GWS players out of the game such is the performance enhancing effects of these ache tablets. Ignorance is no excuse as I've heard a million times since the EFC scandal broke but 2 years out of a job is a hell of a price to pay for ingesting a painkiller especially when you consider the dangers involved in playing modern day football....one only has to look at injury lists in our sport to understand how much higher the potential for risk is than in most other occupations. Dare to say the players don't receive massive payouts when suffering major injury like in other workplaces because of the negligence of others on the field.

During the half time break of the 2000 wafl grand final a player from one of the teams playing snuck off and had a can bong. He thought that would be a good idea. This player was drafted by an AFL but unsurprisingly could not make it at the next level.

Are you serious Joan??? I'm gobsmacked if true.

On another level back in my school years I went to watch a mate play in an under 17's hockey tournament. After being nil all against this interestate side at 1/2 time this mate of mine who was quite partial to a bong snuck a couple in (don't panic I didn't inhale wasn't my thing). They go back out for the 2nd half and from the first whistle my friend just tore the opposition to pieces. He finished with 5 second half goals and set the other 2 up in a 7-1 rout. The powers that be thought my friend was going to be hockey's next Rick Charlesworth at that stage of his life only for him to pursue other ideals which involved giving hockey away. I'm now quite curious as to how this WAFL player performed in the second half.

joan trieste wrote:

Dirty Weekender wrote: Further evidence of the problems with the current code. Yes he is a fool for taking a painkiller not prescribed from his club doctor and will wear the cost most likely for 2 years which will end his career but then you look at a player taking 17 cortisone shots within a week to get up to play on grand final day and you got to ask yourself what is the difference. Both are painkillers at the end of the day and what doctor in his right mind would prescribe 17 cortisone shots within a 7 day period. Can only assume Crowley kicked 12 goals, had 45 possessions and tagged 3 GWS players out of the game such is the performance enhancing effects of these ache tablets. Ignorance is no excuse as I've heard a million times since the EFC scandal broke but 2 years out of a job is a hell of a price to pay for ingesting a painkiller especially when you consider the dangers involved in playing modern day football....one only has to look at injury lists in our sport to understand how much higher the potential for risk is than in most other occupations. Dare to say the players don't receive massive payouts when suffering major injury like in other workplaces because of the negligence of others on the field.

During the half time break of the 2000 wafl grand final a player from one of the teams playing snuck off and had a can bong. He thought that would be a good idea. This player was drafted by an AFL but unsurprisingly could not make it at the next level.

That was WART vs EF wasnt it ...no surprises which either side they were playing at then!!

Dirty Weekender wrote: I find it difficult to believe that most pain killers excluding those laced with psuedoephedrine type stimulants (even then only similar to caffeine in minor doses) allow players to play beyond their natural uninjured physical capabilities. Its only their potential as masking agents that gets a lot of them on the banned list which whilst I understand the reasons 2yrs is bloody harsh on players who inadvertently take minor pain medication for that very purpose. Not allowing for abusive sustained heavy use of them here which is another thing altogether but to me the advantages are the same as cortisone to me in just enabling players to get on the park when in pain or discomfort. My old boss described his playing day cortisone injections as like being given new legs which if not a physical advantage is a mental advantage gained by injection. As the coaches always say 80% off the game is played upstairs. Next time I'm at the GP I'm going to ask how many cortisone injections per week maximum would be regarded as medically responsible and ethical practice. If its 17 or above I'll eat my words.

I dont believe there is a golden number. Repeat use into the same area can cause issues such as tissue damage but there is no rule that I am aware of that is considered too many.

edit: just read this: www.mayoclinic.org/tests-procedures/cort...s/risks/prc-20014455

Thanks for info in your edit Yolo. No golden number but going by the info I've copied and pasted below from that site 17 in a week seems wildly excessive. Good find mate

Limits on the number of cortisone shots

There's some concern that repeated use of cortisone shots may cause deterioration of the cartilage within a joint. For this reason, doctors typically limit the number of cortisone shots into a joint. In general, cortisone injections should not be given more often than every six weeks and usually not more than three or four times a year.

Dirty Weekender wrote: Thanks for info in your edit Yolo. No golden number but going by the info I've copied and pasted below from that site 17 in a week seems wildly excessive. Good find mate

Limits on the number of cortisone shots

There's some concern that repeated use of cortisone shots may cause deterioration of the cartilage within a joint. For this reason, doctors typically limit the number of cortisone shots into a joint. In general, cortisone injections should not be given more often than every six weeks and usually not more than three or four times a year.

Exactly what my specialist says. I have an ongoing problem that was initially controlled by cortisone. The more I had it, the less it worked. My spec told me he wouldn't give it to me more than 3 times a year. How the hell could anyone have it 17 times a week FFS???

Crowley's case wont be heard until May. Gee they work slow at ASADA.

Leather Stops wrote: Crowley's case wont be heard until May. Gee they work slow at ASADA.

What has it got to do with ASADA? Surely, it is an AFL tribunal issue?

swan42 wrote:

Leather Stops wrote: Crowley's case wont be heard until May. Gee they work slow at ASADA.

What has it got to do with ASADA? Surely, it is an AFL tribunal issue?

If Essendon was referred to ASADA ( when AFL didn't know what the injections were ) then why not notify ASADA when a prohibited drug is used.

Leather Stops wrote:

swan42 wrote:

Leather Stops wrote: Crowley's case wont be heard until May. Gee they work slow at ASADA.

What has it got to do with ASADA? Surely, it is an AFL tribunal issue?

If Essendon was referred to ASADA ( when AFL didn't know what the injections were ) then why not notify ASADA when a prohibited drug is used.

LS it is my understanding that it is the AFL tribunal which will hear the Crowley case. ASADA and ultimately WADA have the right to appeal to CAS if not satisfied.