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Beasley Hutton wrote:

mikeh wrote:

Beasley Hutton wrote: Believe what you like Tiger at the end of the day but if you reckon that sort of continual annual recruiting from outside your own zone is sustainable in this WAFL day and age then we will never agree regardless of whichever club.

BH you do know that Tiger Tales is another Outer persona don't you? Style and content almost identical to Heater.

Mike despite what some club supporters might think this is not a chest beating exercise it is too actually give fans an idea about which WAFL clubs have placed an emphasis on developing their local zone kids into League footballers (something I take a keen interest in). With the upcoming Boston Group report due any time soon and the serious alternate changes to the Colts and other competitions mooted this sort of information would be pretty pertinent I would have thought?

BH,

If you were all sitting in a room together I would say fight a good fight but being behind a key board I would suggest to give it up. Tiger Tales sounds a lot like Clownsend and the fact that the single most pertinent point has not been raised regarding $ubi's $$$ from a bogus arrangement has brought them success along with rorting of the system. It doesn't matter shit whether they have been caught or not to make that assumption because anyone who has a vested interest in the WAFL (diminishing I know) is well aware that they have contributed to the demise of our once great comp.

If this Boston report is worth any bit of a pinch of shit it should pick up the shamble dealings going on as one of the main contributors to a lack of public interest along with the alignment.

PS: Lets see if Schofield and the continual production line of Eastern State prize recruits are still at the club when the well dries up !!!

Beasley Hutton wrote:

mikeh wrote:

Beasley Hutton wrote: Believe what you like Tiger at the end of the day but if you reckon that sort of continual annual recruiting from outside your own zone is sustainable in this WAFL day and age then we will never agree regardless of whichever club.

BH you do know that Tiger Tales is another Outer persona don't you? Style and content almost identical to Heater.

Mike despite what some club supporters might think this is not a chest beating exercise it is too actually give fans an idea about which WAFL clubs have placed an emphasis on developing their local zone kids into League footballers (something I take a keen interest in). With the upcoming Boston Group report due any time soon and the serious alternate changes to the Colts and other competitions mooted this sort of information would be pretty pertinent I would have thought?

If that is honestly your intent then I don't have a problem with it. But if you are doing it to have a dig at Subi then we are going to fire back at you because to be honest our colts and junior development performance has been a source of embarrassment for Subiaco supporters in the past. Hopefully though it is a thing of the past for us because watching our colts on Saturday I saw some very promising signs and we now have some very good people involved in our junior system. Hopefully in the coming years that can translate to a good 50%+ local zone representation for us.

Heater19 wrote:

Beasley Hutton wrote:

mikeh wrote:

Beasley Hutton wrote: Believe what you like Tiger at the end of the day but if you reckon that sort of continual annual recruiting from outside your own zone is sustainable in this WAFL day and age then we will never agree regardless of whichever club.

BH you do know that Tiger Tales is another Outer persona don't you? Style and content almost identical to Heater.

Mike despite what some club supporters might think this is not a chest beating exercise it is too actually give fans an idea about which WAFL clubs have placed an emphasis on developing their local zone kids into League footballers (something I take a keen interest in). With the upcoming Boston Group report due any time soon and the serious alternate changes to the Colts and other competitions mooted this sort of information would be pretty pertinent I would have thought?

If that is honestly your intent then I don't have a problem with it. But if you are doing it to have a dig at Subi then we are going to fire back at you because to be honest our colts and junior development performance has been a source of embarrassment for Subiaco supporters in the past. Hopefully though it is a thing of the past for us because watching our colts on Saturday I saw some very promising signs and we now have some very good people involved in our junior system. Hopefully in the coming years that can translate to a good 50%+ local zone representation for us.

Good to hear, and yes it is the intent and I am looking forward to the upcoming battle both in Colts & the Seniors. All clubs have to make sure we have a pathway for the local kids to aspire to otherwise they may lose interest in playing WAFL footy if not drafted. I have no issue with all clubs having a few quality ooz recruits especially those with an AFL background to not only provide some on and off field direction but also to teach them first hand what it takes to make it to the top level. Make no mistake this upcoming Boston Group report is going to have dire consequences for all of us if what I have heard off the record is correct.

mikeh wrote:

Beasley Hutton wrote: Believe what you like Tiger at the end of the day but if you reckon that sort of continual annual recruiting from outside your own zone is sustainable in this WAFL day and age then we will never agree regardless of whichever club.

BH you do know that Tiger Tales is another Outer persona don't you? Style and content almost identical to Heater.

Does that mean all u SD posters are one then Mikeh pushing the local zone mantra?...interesting to see a Cl fan shed some light on the local zone matter tho...strong colts, pretty successful league side this past decade and lots of locals getting a run...Don't see them whinge half as much at Subi's success compared to a certain few here...or should I say certain one?

It is what it is...SD got done financially for rorting the comp...paid the price financially and were forced to take the local route/model...with "success"..or so you guys at SD would like to think.

whilst Subi financially have adopted a different route/model, where the need to player locals was less a priority with "success" one would think?..but then again that is the heater19 within me trying to take over...

Just because we've got a high percentage of locals playing in our league side at Claremont doesn't mean that we aren't maxing our salary cap out to put the best 22 on the park each week.

SD obviously went over the salary cap trying to get their best team on the park in 2011. It doesn't matter where these players developed, it's about attracting the best players to your club to have success and win a flag. What attracts these players is cash, opportunity to taste success, opportunities to develop and possibly step up to the AFL (which leads to more cash).

I think the SD argument is piss weak on this thread. It stinks of hypocrisy and jealousy.

Grassy you brought up a good point above one of which I have been meaning to ask all of the Ozfooty diehard WAFL people on this forum......
Has anyone here been canvassed or surveyed by the Boston Group?
I attend every game and I have never been interviewed nor have I even seen anyone from BG at the WAFL both last year when it was announced and this season to maybe get some feedback from those with a passion for the comp who also may have been able to throw up some thoughts and ideas!
I know they had the online survey/questionnaire but I thought that was far too AFL focussed and to be honest very wishy washy with only the comments part where you could actually put forward some relevant ideas.

Beasley Hutton wrote: Grassy you brought up a good point above one of which I have been meaning to ask all of the Ozfooty diehard WAFL people on this forum......
Has anyone here been canvassed or surveyed by the Boston Group?
I attend every game and I have never been interviewed nor have I even seen anyone from BG at the WAFL both last year when it was announced and this season to maybe get some feedback from those with a passion for the comp who also may have been able to throw up some thoughts and ideas!
I know they had the online survey/questionnaire but I thought that was far too AFL focussed and to be honest very wishy washy with only the comments part where you could actually put forward some relevant ideas.

We the punters would be the last constituency that these pions of the AFL want informing this "review".

This "review" is a stitch up to neuter the WAFL as an independent football entity and shave off the one element of the WAFL system that keeps the AFL alive - the colts system. Take that out of WAFL clubs control and the value of the WAFL as a pathway to the AFL is much diminished. And that's what the AFL wants. After trying for years to buy back control over the two WA-based AFL club licenses this is the next best option.

The Boston Consulting Group wouldn't know one end of a football from the other but what they do know very well is never undertake a review unless you know the answer beforehand and those fops and toadies at the WAFC would have ensured that the answer was the first thing discussed with these pissants at BCG who would gladly respond "Tell us what you want to hear and we'll say it for you"

Dazzler wrote:

Beasley Hutton wrote: Grassy you brought up a good point above one of which I have been meaning to ask all of the Ozfooty diehard WAFL people on this forum......
Has anyone here been canvassed or surveyed by the Boston Group?
I attend every game and I have never been interviewed nor have I even seen anyone from BG at the WAFL both last year when it was announced and this season to maybe get some feedback from those with a passion for the comp who also may have been able to throw up some thoughts and ideas!
I know they had the online survey/questionnaire but I thought that was far too AFL focussed and to be honest very wishy washy with only the comments part where you could actually put forward some relevant ideas.

We the punters would be the last constituency that these pions of the AFL want informing this "review".

This "review" is a stitch up to neuter the WAFL as an independent football entity and shave off the one element of the WAFL system that keeps the AFL alive - the colts system. Take that out of WAFL clubs control and the value of the WAFL as a pathway to the AFL is much diminished. And that's what the AFL wants. After trying for years to buy back control over the two WA-based AFL club licenses this is the next best option.

The Boston Consulting Group wouldn't know one end of a football from the other but what they do know very well is never undertake a review unless you know the answer beforehand and those fops and toadies at the WAFC would have ensured that the answer was the first thing discussed with these pissants at BCG who would gladly respond "Tell us what you want to hear and we'll say it for you"

That was my suspicion Dazz but I thought I better ask the question first just in case their only WAFL appearance/experience was attending a Peel vs EP game to gauge "real WAFL fans" feedback...it would appear that there was already a set agenda with not all stakeholders taken into account!

Travelling back to 'Beas on the subject - South Fremantle have had to , on sporadic occasion , recruit due to extraordinary condition

When you have a large retirement event that wipes out your entire senior playing stocks within 18 months (bar one), this may need to be done.

Pretty rare & I think we've lost more than we've gained in the long run

Southerner wrote: Travelling back to 'Beas on the subject - South Fremantle have had to , on sporadic occasion , recruit due to extraordinary condition

When you have a large retirement event that wipes out your entire senior playing stocks within 18 months (bar one), this may need to be done.

Pretty rare & I think we've lost more than we've gained in the long run

Dead right Southy which is something Swans faced back in that 2006/07/08/09/10 period where we had around 20 players taken in the drafts on top of the usual retirements/departures that happen at every club at the end of a season and we were a bottom side in 06/07.
The likes of s42 & others have made that point continuously until he was blue in the face on here but unfortunately he gave up when the usual lot took no notice of that very fact.
We actually lost our Fairest & Best & Runner Up F&B of our League team to the AFL draft in Luke Miles & Dennis Armfield in 2007 when we were near cellar dwellers plus a host of top quality kids from our Premiership winning Colts of that same season how on earth do you replace that quality lost in one fell swoop without some recruiting?

Anyhow it is all in the distant past now I am more interested in what is happening in the now..now!