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Baz: what would you prefer: the alignment or sides in the competition for the AFL clubs.

Outer: that is true what your wrote about the sides which have dominated the competition over the years, a simple result of teams being more than over night sensations because footballers don't lose ability over a season; in general, rather, they remain good footballers for a decade or more. Bearring this basic fact in mind, it just goes to show the extent to which the AFL draft system is a con trick. The following has happened in the draft era:

Hawthorn has played in four grad finals in a row
Hawthorn has won a hat-trick of premierships
Brisbane has won a hat trick of premierships
Geelong has had a team regarded, by some, as the best ever
Essondon has sufferred just one defeat in a season, the best on record from memory

None of the above is indicative of equality within the competition, because of the reason outlined above.

In the WAFL, it is true, that in the years 1965-1982 everybody won; but this was an anomally of football history; the norm was all of the big three making the finals from 1920-1970.

The best way to aid the weaker clubs is to fiddle the salary caps in favour of the bottom four.

AR from the time country zoning was introduced into the WAFL around 1969/1970 until the end of the Eagles 1st season in 1987 every WAFL club won at least 2 premierships making it a fair and equitable competition....... and then the WAFC in their great wisdom farked around with them and we have the totally lop sided comp we have now and has been for decades!

BH -- good post. We should bear in mind though that for much of the era we are discussing, Claremont, Subi and SD strugglled to win games of football, irrespective of the premiership count. Also, by the mid 1980s, the long term decline of Perth, WP, and EP had well and truly set in, a development which was not conducive to an even competition.

Having said all that, there is no doubt that the period from 1970-1987 was a unique one in WAFL football, if not for the entire code itself. Certainlly the SANFL and the VFL cannot boast of such an era of football, if I may wear my Western Australian cap.

Theouterseagull wrote:

Bazza wrote:

Senior Seagull wrote: If the 2010 GF got more coverage, then it was 90% around Kracks brilliant season, winning goal and personal redemption, 9% around the proven drug cheat Casserly and the rest was the usual WAFL GF coverage.

I do feel a bit for the Bogundean boys waiting 10 years + for premierships, I am a Subi supporter, we grew up waiting decades for that flag in '73, then fell in a massive hole until the off field and on field messiah's in Merrifield and Bunton returned and changed the clubs culture for ever.

Yep and when Subi were shit they were seriously shit...inbetween drinks.

That's why we make no apologies for our recent dominance, we've been well down in the past. We still haven't reached the levels of complete dominance that East Perth did in the 20's and South in the late 40's early 50's

Very true, I can understand that, south only really had one bad era in the 60s , but then we got a flag in 1970.

ArkRoyal wrote: Baz: what would you prefer: the alignment or sides in the competition for the AFL clubs.

Outer: that is true what your wrote about the sides which have dominated the competition over the years, a simple result of teams being more than over night sensations because footballers don't lose ability over a season; in general, rather, they remain good footballers for a decade or more. Bearring this basic fact in mind, it just goes to show the extent to which the AFL draft system is a con trick. The following has happened in the draft era:

Hawthorn has played in four grad finals in a row
Hawthorn has won a hat-trick of premierships
Brisbane has won a hat trick of premierships
Geelong has had a team regarded, by some, as the best ever
Essondon has sufferred just one defeat in a season, the best on record from memory

None of the above is indicative of equality within the competition, because of the reason outlined above.

In the WAFL, it is true, that in the years 1965-1982 everybody won; but this was an anomally of football history; the norm was all of the big three making the finals from 1920-1970.

The best way to aid the weaker clubs is to fiddle the salary caps in favour of the bottom four.

I would prefer neither, tbh..

I thought spreading the players throughout the comp was better. But there is no way the AFL mobs will have that now...tbh, it would be better if the shockers just fully observed peel numpties and cut the charade make them a reserves team and probably EP as well with the budgies..

Grassy wrote:

Bazza wrote:

Grassy wrote:

Bazza wrote:

westaussieguy wrote: What used to happen previously was the media was far better than nowadays. The newspapers even contained team posters of the 2 Grand Finalists. Why is that now a thing of the past! abc radio refuses to broadcast Wafl matches anymore which kills interest for rural people! Fairly sure no radio broadcast again this week either?!
It's enough to make one cry.

The reality is that most people are eagles , dockers or afl followers now mate, that is a reality of it, the focus of the media goes to where the public interest is, that is what people want to know about, with more afl teams playing more games its getting harder and harder to get air time for wafl games.

as the older generation of wafl followers continue to drift away so does the wafl fan base.

wafl needs an urgent revamp, lets hope the current review comes up with some good ideas and not just the same boring old ideas from boring old men trapped in the past...

Then what?Cater to audiences that give the competition scant regard anyway,they jump on,then jump off,when the novelty wears off?No thanks!

All the more reason to turf the AFL Clubs out of the WAFL,Bazza.

As I predicted,their presence in the Competition isn't doing the WAFL any favours.Having their own side in the Competition WILL be THE END!

If this bloody WAFC did it''s job properly,it would promote the Competition to the Absolute MAXIMUM!

They'd get a better TV Deal which is CRAP and you know it!

They'd tell the AFL to bloody Jump when required,instead of weakly Crawling up their Arse!

They'd give it to Fitzpatrick BIG TIME who really has forgotten where he comes from.Eagles and Dockers fans don't seem to recall he comes from WA.Fancy that!

1. The Alignment his here to stay. because the eagles and dockers ( I hate both of them for it) get what they want..like it or hate it..they have the money , they call the shots.
2. What sort of promotion are you talking?? TV Adds, free give aways?? Adds at half time of Eagles and Dockers games...?? its all been done.
3. Err no, the TV deal is what it is, nobody wanted to pay us - we had to pay them as the product is not in demand. that's called market forces.
4. Tell the AFL to jump ,,err Sounds great . just one small issue - how do we fund our clubs money wise??..you got a few mill to chip in personally?? re players draft funds, alignment cash and footy dividends??? GINA maybe lol....???-

We need new ideas - not fantasy.

1 - If it here to stay,we are Dead anyway.I'd like the Club Presidents and Boards to put the Blackmail money aside and Turf them out.We got rid of them after 2003,so to them I say,Do It Again!

2 - Yes TV Ads,Radio,Newspaper,Internet,Facebook.Promote the Rivalries,History,reduce the admission prices.Stop sitting on your Arse Murray and Co and Fucking well DO SOMETHING!

3 - Market Forces? On their scale,we don't really Rate at all.51 000?Please Bazza,that's grounds for Dumping a Program.Why are they Really here Bazza.Step up Channel 9 and Get the Glory!Go on,Bazza reckons the WAFC will be fair to all offers,so give us an offer worth taking up and show 7 up,for the Stingy Bastards they are!

4 - Yes,tell 'Em to Jump!The WAFC Still Own the 2 AFL Licences here,which the AFL Apparrently craves after,but for some reason,haven't come over the Top to Buy the Licences Out.Now why would that be?Try a Greater Aggenda with the 2 AFL Clubs here,I bet!

The AFL gives us bugger all anyway,so shy not ask Gina?Or a few Chinese Mining Companies.If it's good enough for the Major Political Parties to get into bed with them,why the hell not us?

5 - If we get some Super Legal Brains,I say it's high time we challenge the Draft system and tear it to pieces!If the AFL keep backing us in a corner,determined to kill Valued Parts of Aussie Rules Footy,I say Fuck 'em!

Sue the Pants off 'em by Destroying the Draft System!

I am fed up to the Back teeth of the WAFC allowing us to be bent over backwards by those ARSEHOLES of the AFL!It's time for the WAFC to combine with the WAFL Clubs,like the SANFL with their's and start pushing the Dictatorial Bastards Back!

As for West Coast and Fremantle,whose side are you on!You're supporters always go crook at the AFL,claiming the AFL is screwing you!But what they don't realise is that,their beloved clubs are really in Bed with the AFL Executive,whilst you take a little short term pain(Ha,if you know what that really us!),whilst doing the AFL's Dirty Work for them,in Screwing us over!!!!!

For so called WESSSTTERRN AUSTRALIANS,you should hang your heads in SHAME!You too should TELL the AFL to Fuck off and do their own Dirty Work!You might get a bit more of a working relationship with us if you do that!But would you now?'I'm not holding my breath!

Wheres the money coming from?

ArkRoyal wrote: Baz: what would you prefer: the alignment or sides in the competition for the AFL clubs.

Outer: that is true what your wrote about the sides which have dominated the competition over the years, a simple result of teams being more than over night sensations because footballers don't lose ability over a season; in general, rather, they remain good footballers for a decade or more. Bearring this basic fact in mind, it just goes to show the extent to which the AFL draft system is a con trick. The following has happened in the draft era:

Hawthorn has played in four grad finals in a row
Hawthorn has won a hat-trick of premierships
Brisbane has won a hat trick of premierships
Geelong has had a team regarded, by some, as the best ever
Essondon has sufferred just one defeat in a season, the best on record from memory

None of the above is indicative of equality within the competition, because of the reason outlined above.

In the WAFL, it is true, that in the years 1965-1982 everybody won; but this was an anomally of football history; the norm was all of the big three making the finals from 1920-1970.

The best way to aid the weaker clubs is to fiddle the salary caps in favour of the bottom four.

EF once dominated the comp for most of its existence, but have done nothing for ages.

To help the WAFC's investigation into WA footy let me start with the following:

(i) the impact, positive or negative, of the host club alignment on the WAFL competition;
(ii) the impact, perceived or real, of Subiaco's financial standing on the WAFL competition;
(iii) the impact, positive or negative, of playing matches before noon on Sunday mornings on the WAFL competition;
(iv) the impact, positive or negative, of other WAFC decisions on the WAFL competition;
(v) the impact, postive or negative, of the two WA domiciled AFL clubs on the WAFL competition; and
(vi) the impact, positive or negative, of the AFL on the WAFL competition.

I am sure that if they did their job with competence the results of the above investigation would clearly show what needs to be changed to ensure the long term future of the WAFL competition and the WAFL clubs.

All good issues , although iv is a bit of an oxymoron given all the others are decisions they have made in any case.

Mind you, do you really need to have a review to discover the answer to v? pretty obvious the WCE and Shockers have rooted the WAFL of the past.

are EP's crowds up or down over the last three years? What about its membership figures? Sponsorship?