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I wouldn't say well run since 1980, I would say from about 85 onwards.

Kevin Merrifield took over in 1980 and that's when things started to turn around. Michael Carlisle then become President in 1983 which saw the sponsorship deal with Western Underwriters in 1985 propel the club ahead in leaps and bounds off the field and to a certain extent on as well with flags in 86 and 88.

Bazza wrote:

DG wrote:

Beasley Hutton wrote: Save The WAFL what are your thoughts on the domination by 1 particular side in Subiaco over the last 20 years-

17 Finals series
11 GF's in the last 14 years
Possibly 7th Flag in the last 14 years

This was also a club that received a large compensation package to depart Subiaco Oval back in 2003 and yet were still able to keep 500 tickets and their bar with all the takings.
Surely once they received the large compensation package that should have forgone all links to the ground not being able to triple dip in this instance.
All of this has taken place whilst the WA Football system has clubs running chook raffles just to survive.

I am against the alignment but this mob have made just as much of a mockery to the WAFL as the 2 aligned sides and at least with the alignment WAFL clubs have received some much needed extra funds unbelievably including Subiaco!

Interesting figures there Beas. Now could you please give us the figures for the 40 year period between 1944-84?

When the WANFL/WAFL was the real deal - EF dominated the league with flags, then WP and EP.

Subi were completely shite house for most of their exuistence , there was a flash here and there , but they had a revival in the mid 80s , before the eagles seat cash came rolling in, Bunton , some help from the League and new sponsors got that going, they also got given a new set of zones to pull them out the crap.

Yep - then again compare EF pre Eagles and post eagles.

there's been winners and losers on both side of the ledger,

Bazza......think it may be best to compare EF pre and post WW2 mate....LOL interesting to note SF and EF have won the same number of flags post Eagles mate.....3.....with SF having played in one more GF than EF during tht time.....considering EF have been awful the last 17 odd years...the facts suggest SF haven't been any better....wouldn't of thought that TBH.

Freezin wrote:

Bazza wrote:

DG wrote:

Beasley Hutton wrote: Save The WAFL what are your thoughts on the domination by 1 particular side in Subiaco over the last 20 years-

17 Finals series
11 GF's in the last 14 years
Possibly 7th Flag in the last 14 years

This was also a club that received a large compensation package to depart Subiaco Oval back in 2003 and yet were still able to keep 500 tickets and their bar with all the takings.
Surely once they received the large compensation package that should have forgone all links to the ground not being able to triple dip in this instance.
All of this has taken place whilst the WA Football system has clubs running chook raffles just to survive.

I am against the alignment but this mob have made just as much of a mockery to the WAFL as the 2 aligned sides and at least with the alignment WAFL clubs have received some much needed extra funds unbelievably including Subiaco!

Interesting figures there Beas. Now could you please give us the figures for the 40 year period between 1944-84?

When the WANFL/WAFL was the real deal - EF dominated the league with flags, then WP and EP.

Subi were completely shite house for most of their exuistence , there was a flash here and there , but they had a revival in the mid 80s , before the eagles seat cash came rolling in, Bunton , some help from the League and new sponsors got that going, they also got given a new set of zones to pull them out the crap.

Yep - then again compare EF pre Eagles and post eagles.

there's been winners and losers on both side of the ledger,

Bazza......think it may be best to compare EF pre and post WW2 mate....LOL interesting to note SF and EF have won the same number of flags post Eagles mate.....3.....with SF having played in one more GF than EF during tht time.....considering EF have been awful the last 17 odd years...the facts suggest SF haven't been any better....wouldn't of thought that TBH.

Compare that to effc before eagles, scant return by their high standards, sffc never had the same success, now look at effc in last 20 yrs.

Longest drought in their history.

Mate every side has been through a drought.....SF had a couple of 15 -16 year hiatus from 55-69 81 - 96....and a 30 year one before that pre WW2.....true EF has had a tough last 20 years but not the first club to experience that....cant be in existence for over 100 plus years and not experience some pain....first real drought in the clubs hx ...just hope when the drought is broken it is not repeated over and over again eh?

ArkRoyal wrote: This thread is not about Subi's domination, if it were it would mention other eras where teams have dominatted. Imagine what EP achieved between 1959-1972, the PFC between 1966 and 1980, the five grand finals of SD between 1980 and 1990. the four grand finals of the 1960s by the black and whites, to say nothing of Claremont's great effort from 1980 to 1996. Instead, the thread is about the illegimacy of Subiaco's success. Let us be honest about it. Now, being honest about it, I think you would have to point to Subiaco's advantages if you were discussing this part of the WAFL's history; but, one should also accept that the club has been well run since 1980, had a reasonable zone, had a lot of luck with clearances and sponsorship monies, recruitted well and devellopped a good ethos, which when all is taken together with the club's advantages, should at least be acknowledged by people whom are critical of the club.

AR The fundamental difference between the current Subiaco dominance and past eras of dominance is the tenuous nature of the WAFL support now. In conjunction with the host club alignment the dislocation and angst in WAFL supporters is such that the future of the WAFL is by no means certain. That is the part I personally don't understand the Subiaco hierarchy and supporters don't recognise. And I don't want this to be about Swans but merely raise it as an example lf the damage Subiaco is doing to the WAFL's future. The suggestion that Subiaco will chase after Taryce Stewart (assuming he is not drafted) if Ryan is indicates the contempt Subiaco has for the future of the competition.

swan42 wrote:

ArkRoyal wrote: This thread is not about Subi's domination, if it were it would mention other eras where teams have dominatted. Imagine what EP achieved between 1959-1972, the PFC between 1966 and 1980, the five grand finals of SD between 1980 and 1990. the four grand finals of the 1960s by the black and whites, to say nothing of Claremont's great effort from 1980 to 1996. Instead, the thread is about the illegimacy of Subiaco's success. Let us be honest about it. Now, being honest about it, I think you would have to point to Subiaco's advantages if you were discussing this part of the WAFL's history; but, one should also accept that the club has been well run since 1980, had a reasonable zone, had a lot of luck with clearances and sponsorship monies, recruitted well and devellopped a good ethos, which when all is taken together with the club's advantages, should at least be acknowledged by people whom are critical of the club.

AR The fundamental difference between the current Subiaco dominance and past eras of dominance is the tenuous nature of the WAFL support now. In conjunction with the host club alignment the dislocation and angst in WAFL supporters is such that the future of the WAFL is by no means certain. That is the part I personally don't understand the Subiaco hierarchy and supporters don't recognise. And I don't want this to be about Swans but merely raise it as an example lf the damage Subiaco is doing to the WAFL's future. The suggestion that Subiaco will chase after Taryce Stewart (assuming he is not drafted) if Ryan is indicates the contempt Subiaco has for the future of the competition.

Really the only angst I see from WAFL supporters are the few old people yelling at clouds like yourself and Grassy, like I've said before if you want to go back to the seventies and eighties contact Dr Who and borrow the Tardis., yes the WAFL needs to be tweaked but you're delusion of getting rid of the alignment is a fantasy that will never happen maybe following Ellenbrook Amateurs is the go for you.

Peter North wrote:

swan42 wrote:

ArkRoyal wrote: This thread is not about Subi's domination, if it were it would mention other eras where teams have dominatted. Imagine what EP achieved between 1959-1972, the PFC between 1966 and 1980, the five grand finals of SD between 1980 and 1990. the four grand finals of the 1960s by the black and whites, to say nothing of Claremont's great effort from 1980 to 1996. Instead, the thread is about the illegimacy of Subiaco's success. Let us be honest about it. Now, being honest about it, I think you would have to point to Subiaco's advantages if you were discussing this part of the WAFL's history; but, one should also accept that the club has been well run since 1980, had a reasonable zone, had a lot of luck with clearances and sponsorship monies, recruitted well and devellopped a good ethos, which when all is taken together with the club's advantages, should at least be acknowledged by people whom are critical of the club.

AR The fundamental difference between the current Subiaco dominance and past eras of dominance is the tenuous nature of the WAFL support now. In conjunction with the host club alignment the dislocation and angst in WAFL supporters is such that the future of the WAFL is by no means certain. That is the part I personally don't understand the Subiaco hierarchy and supporters don't recognise. And I don't want this to be about Swans but merely raise it as an example lf the damage Subiaco is doing to the WAFL's future. The suggestion that Subiaco will chase after Taryce Stewart (assuming he is not drafted) if Ryan is indicates the contempt Subiaco has for the future of the competition.

Really the only angst I see from WAFL supporters are the few old people yelling at clouds like yourself and Grassy, like I've said before if you want to go back to the seventies and eighties contact Dr Who and borrow the Tardis., yes the WAFL needs to be tweaked but you're delusion of getting rid of the alignment is a fantasy that will never happen maybe following Ellenbrook Amateurs is the go for you.

With the greatest of respect PN I missed one league game Swans played in 2017 (due to illness); how many did you miss of Perth's league games? Maybe, just maybe, I have had more opportunity to gauge what WAFL supporters think about it than you.

what in the hell are you on about 42?...the suggestion Subi would chase Stewart came from one of your clowns on an earlier thread...tongue in cheek I'd hope....and what would you like Subi supporters do about the club's dominance? stop supporting them because they're too successful? vote the board and CEO out because we've won too many flags in recent times? get a grip on reality and not on your Johnson...

BC wrote: what in the hell are you on about 42?...the suggestion Subi would chase Stewart came from one of your clowns on an earlier thread...tongue in cheek I'd hope....and what would you like Subi supporters do about the club's dominance? stop supporting them because they're too successful? vote the board and CEO out because we've won too many flags in recent times? get a grip on reality and not on your Johnson...

BC I thought better of you; I thought you were able to have a discussion without resorting to personal abuse. With respect to what you as a Subiaco supporter could do; you could speak to your directors and discuss whether it is healthy to be as dominant as you currently are or perhaps rather than chasing the cream of the other clubs' payers that money would be better expended on your junior development? With respect to my comments about Taryce Stewart I did try to explain that I didn't want it to be seen as a specific example but rather as a symbol of what Subiaco has done in the past.