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Swan 42: The man has had an obsession with the water front since Kennett came over years ago and criticised Perth for being, cut off from its river'.

swan42 wrote:

Bazza wrote:

BC wrote: yep agree...the place is third world when you look at what's been done and compare it to other cities. for mine it's not enough to just have new hospitals at FSH, Midland, the kids hospital, airport access at Leach Hwy and city gateway at the causeway, new sports stadium, Elizabeth Quay, reinvigoration of Northbridge precinct, new schools and infrastructure...chit...according to some on here this government has been a abject failure because it hasn't built the Ellenbrook light rail and I couldn't agree more !!!!

Yep true , that is largely it, tbh more has been achieved in 8 years than in the previous 20 as far as the city goes, the change has been massive, just look at the umm and ahhing over the stadium that's gone on for 20 or 30 years of dithering , I dont reckon labour would of ever built one and if it had it would of been another half arse effort in subi.. E Q will be a massive benefit to the City long term - the Ellenbrook railway pfft, PTA where quite clear the figures just don't warrant it, and we get something far more useful a link to the airport which everyone in the state can benefit from.

Bazza where does one start?

Good to see you apologising for the incompetence of Emperor Barnett's government.

Let's start at the new stadium. When Langoulant, by no means a stooge of the ALP, did the initial investigation the report indicated that the footings for a stadium at its current location was going to cost an additional $200 million. One could reasonably expect that the cost in today's terms would be north of $300 million.

Now Betty's Jetty:an outstanding success if your aim wasto make kids sick with the water feature.

The new children's hospital I am by no means a monarchist nut why would Emperor Barnett want to trash the worldwide reputation of PMH? Perhaps you can also explain how lead in the water supply,as reported in the press, is an advantage.

Ellenbrook rail link WAS PROMISED TWICE by Emperor Barnett and a rapid bus transit system.How many seats around Ellenbrook do you reckon Emperor Barnett's party will get in the election next March Bazza?

The Perth airport rail link: probably the least required rail link required to cater for Perth's growing population. One can speculate as to why it extends to Forrestfield. Similarly, how close will the stations be to the proposed new terminal at Perth Airport Also, please explain how someone living in Fremantle is going to be able to get to the airport BY TRAIN, for a 6.00 am flight?

How does a government lose its triple A credit ranking during a mining boom?

I could go on and on providing further evidence of the incompetence of the Emperor Barnett's government

The ONLY CHANCE Perth has of getting a decent rail network to cater for the projectedincrease in Perth's population is for us to elect an ALP government next March.

Agree with most of this, alas i dont expect sneakers and co to be any better at all

I find myself agreeing with S42 here. In regards to the new Forrestfield/Airport rail link here is what I have obtained from Main Roads. Basically the reason given for the closure of Brearley ave from Great Eastern hwy is to make way for the new "Belmont Train Station" which is actually in Redcliffe. Looks to me like a train to nowhere.

UNKA2 wrote:

Bazza wrote:

BC wrote: all good points Bazza. As I said to DD earlier I agree completely some of this stuff could have been handled more efficiently but when a government is juggling multiple projects worth billions across a number of areas then mistakes will be made. not making excuses but highlighting the obvious and imo a lot of what we're seeing today wouldn't have got off the ground if it was up to Labor. Alannah McTiernan was a great Transport and Infrastructure Minister for Labor but don't see anyone on the opposition benches these days who could hold a candle to her...and neither would I for that matter as you'd get blown up given her liking for the odd drinkie. so in some respects Barnett's mob hasn't done a bad job considering. in saying that, which ever side wins the next election the primary focus should now be on paying down debt.

Yep spot on, the commodities price collapse hasn't helped , Royalties took a major hit and compounding that has been the collapse in Stamp Duty with property slumping.

Norway had a huge mining boost as well, funnily enough the govt, of the day slugged the mining companies and stood up to em, the govt here bowed , and Norway spent some and put some away for a rainy day and PLANNED, what did we do? Its terrible for such a windfall and now be in debt. But hey up the qualifying age for the seniors card, that will save us all eh.

www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/la...reign-wealth/7797560

Yeah Norway set up a Sovereign Wealth Fund in the 50s for its North Sea Oil.

They don't have a Federal Set up like us. States and Commonwealth have different regimes for raising funds, since the GST States are pretty limited in what they can raise.

Peter Costello set one up Sovereign Wealth Fund but its relatively recent and not that large, KRudd wanted to raid it.

DD wrote: I find myself agreeing with S42 here. In regards to the new Forrestfield/Airport rail link here is what I have obtained from Main Roads. Basically the reason given for the closure of Brearley ave from Great Eastern hwy is to make way for the new "Belmont Train Station" which is actually in Redcliffe. Looks to me like a train to nowhere.

Looks like a Train to Airport to me.

ArkRoyal wrote: Swan 42: The man has had an obsession with the water front since Kennett came over years ago and criticised Perth for being, cut off from its river'.

Nah - Carpenter came up with the first plan..remember Dubai by the Swan?

Swan your just rehashing the same old moans

BC and I have already stated builders have stuffed up on some projects, are they the first ones over to have problems, remember the Arena, fark me massive costs over runs delays you name it. They will be remedied by the builders.

Ellenbrook, rail link is a like a broken record, give me a rail link to the airport anyday far more people will get use of it - btw a few months ago you swore black and blue that no such rail project would ever happen and no construction would take place, how is that tip going now?

Also with you obsession about growing population and trains, how do you explain the epic collapse in train and passenger patronage in Perth over the last 2 yrs? Perhaps the need is not as dire , going by PTA extrapolations there would of been 14 people travelling from Ellenbrook to the CBD each morning by now.

Bazz i got lost in Ellenbrook the other day.The place is massive and now joins the Vines.You also have Averly,Swanleigh and Brabham out there now.North East of Perth,Ellenbrook is the Ballajura of the 90:s or the Morley of the 1970"s and 60's.
A cheaper option for rail would be running down West Swan Road and linking up to the Midland line on James ST Guildford..Metro Net runs down Gnangara to Alexander,Fitzjerald to the city.LInking up Mirrabooka,Morley,Beechboro.

swan42 wrote:

Bazza wrote:

BC wrote: yep agree...the place is third world when you look at what's been done and compare it to other cities. for mine it's not enough to just have new hospitals at FSH, Midland, the kids hospital, airport access at Leach Hwy and city gateway at the causeway, new sports stadium, Elizabeth Quay, reinvigoration of Northbridge precinct, new schools and infrastructure...chit...according to some on here this government has been a abject failure because it hasn't built the Ellenbrook light rail and I couldn't agree more !!!!

Yep true , that is largely it, tbh more has been achieved in 8 years than in the previous 20 as far as the city goes, the change has been massive, just look at the umm and ahhing over the stadium that's gone on for 20 or 30 years of dithering , I dont reckon labour would of ever built one and if it had it would of been another half arse effort in subi.. E Q will be a massive benefit to the City long term - the Ellenbrook railway pfft, PTA where quite clear the figures just don't warrant it, and we get something far more useful a link to the airport which everyone in the state can benefit from.

Bazza where does one start?

Good to see you apologising for the incompetence of Emperor Barnett's government.

Let's start at the new stadium. When Langoulant, by no means a stooge of the ALP, did the initial investigation the report indicated that the footings for a stadium at its current location was going to cost an additional $200 million. One could reasonably expect that the cost in today's terms would be north of $300 million.

Now Betty's Jetty:an outstanding success if your aim wasto make kids sick with the water feature.

The new children's hospital I am by no means a monarchist nut why would Emperor Barnett want to trash the worldwide reputation of PMH? Perhaps you can also explain how lead in the water supply,as reported in the press, is an advantage.

Ellenbrook rail link WAS PROMISED TWICE by Emperor Barnett and a rapid bus transit system.How many seats around Ellenbrook do you reckon Emperor Barnett's party will get in the election next March Bazza?

The Perth airport rail link: probably the least required rail link required to cater for Perth's growing population. One can speculate as to why it extends to Forrestfield. Similarly, how close will the stations be to the proposed new terminal at Perth Airport Also, please explain how someone living in Fremantle is going to be able to get to the airport BY TRAIN, for a 6.00 am flight?

How does a government lose its triple A credit ranking during a mining boom?

I could go on and on providing further evidence of the incompetence of the Emperor Barnett's government

The ONLY CHANCE Perth has of getting a decent rail network to cater for the projectedincrease in Perth's population is for us to elect an ALP government next March.

every point you've raised 42 is trivial nonsense. the water park at betty's jetty, lead in the water at the kids hospital, footings for the stadium...big deal...each and every one is fixable. the perth airport link...we're probably the only major city in the world without one ...and if you don't think we're large enough for a rail link then just reflect for a moment there are only 4 cities in the US bigger than Perth based on 2015 data....go figure. so I take it the 42 family won't be availing themselves of any or all of the above out of protest? Christ 42...reading your posts makes a sane person want to commit suicide you're so negative.

BC wrote:

swan42 wrote:

Bazza wrote:

BC wrote: yep agree...the place is third world when you look at what's been done and compare it to other cities. for mine it's not enough to just have new hospitals at FSH, Midland, the kids hospital, airport access at Leach Hwy and city gateway at the causeway, new sports stadium, Elizabeth Quay, reinvigoration of Northbridge precinct, new schools and infrastructure...chit...according to some on here this government has been a abject failure because it hasn't built the Ellenbrook light rail and I couldn't agree more !!!!

Yep true , that is largely it, tbh more has been achieved in 8 years than in the previous 20 as far as the city goes, the change has been massive, just look at the umm and ahhing over the stadium that's gone on for 20 or 30 years of dithering , I dont reckon labour would of ever built one and if it had it would of been another half arse effort in subi.. E Q will be a massive benefit to the City long term - the Ellenbrook railway pfft, PTA where quite clear the figures just don't warrant it, and we get something far more useful a link to the airport which everyone in the state can benefit from.

Bazza where does one start?

Good to see you apologising for the incompetence of Emperor Barnett's government.

Let's start at the new stadium. When Langoulant, by no means a stooge of the ALP, did the initial investigation the report indicated that the footings for a stadium at its current location was going to cost an additional $200 million. One could reasonably expect that the cost in today's terms would be north of $300 million.

Now Betty's Jetty:an outstanding success if your aim wasto make kids sick with the water feature.

The new children's hospital I am by no means a monarchist nut why would Emperor Barnett want to trash the worldwide reputation of PMH? Perhaps you can also explain how lead in the water supply,as reported in the press, is an advantage.

Ellenbrook rail link WAS PROMISED TWICE by Emperor Barnett and a rapid bus transit system.How many seats around Ellenbrook do you reckon Emperor Barnett's party will get in the election next March Bazza?

The Perth airport rail link: probably the least required rail link required to cater for Perth's growing population. One can speculate as to why it extends to Forrestfield. Similarly, how close will the stations be to the proposed new terminal at Perth Airport Also, please explain how someone living in Fremantle is going to be able to get to the airport BY TRAIN, for a 6.00 am flight?

How does a government lose its triple A credit ranking during a mining boom?

I could go on and on providing further evidence of the incompetence of the Emperor Barnett's government

The ONLY CHANCE Perth has of getting a decent rail network to cater for the projectedincrease in Perth's population is for us to elect an ALP government next March.

every point you've raised 42 is trivial nonsense. the water park at betty's jetty, lead in the water at the kids hospital, footings for the stadium...big deal...each and every one is fixable. the perth airport link...we're probably the only major city in the world without one ...and if you don't think we're large enough for a rail link then just reflect for a moment there are only 4 cities in the US bigger than Perth based on 2015 data....go figure. so I take it the 42 family won't be availing themselves of any or all of the above out of protest? Christ 42...reading your posts makes a sane person want to commit suicide you're so negative.

BC let me start with a rail link to an airport. I presume you must be suggesting that Melbourne in Victoria, Australia is not a major city as it didn't appear to have a rail link to their airport. I would also point out the proposed second airport in Sydney DOES NOT have a plan to be linked by rail. My point with respect to a rail link to the airport is that on balance and passenger numbers it would be a lower priority than others.

I don't think lead in water is a trivial point.

As for the negativity purporting to be mine: the list are the failings of Emperor Barnett's government NOT Y failings.