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Pardon my self indulgence but a debate on another thread about Subiaco's current dominance of the WAFL competition and the comparison between periods of dominance by other teams through the years sent me back to the record books to check.
Subiaco's run probably started in 2003 when they lost to West Perth in the premiership decider. In the 16 seasons since then they have contested 12 Grand Finals and won 7 of these. You could mount an strong argument that the figure would have been 9 if not for the Peel/Freo alignment.In this time the other flags have been won by WP(2), C(2), SF(2) and Swans as well as the two from Peel. Subiaco missed the finals twice in 16 seasons (2010 and 2013) but didnt really bottom out in either of these years.
Other comparable dominant runs of more than 10 years are Claremont (1987 - 1996) - played in 8 out of 10 grand finals for 5 flags, Perth(1966 -1978} -played in 8 out of 13 Grand finals for 5 flags, South Fremantle (1947 -56) 8 out of 10 Grand finals for 6 flags, East Fremantle (1928 - 1946) 14 out of 19 Grand finals for 9 flags, East Perth (1918 - 1928) 9 out of 11 Grand Finals for 7 flags and East Fremantle (1899 - 1912) who played in all 14 grand finals in these years and were successful 9 times.
Obviously some of the earlier streaks were achieved with less teams in the competition than there are today,but it does show that all dominant teams do eventually fall away in a cyclical pattern. The problem with the current Subiaco juggernaut is that it has only got stronger over the past few years and it is hard to see anybody putting up a realistic challenge to them in the foreseeable future.

Funny thing is Mike in none of the eras above did the WAFL have supposed equalisation measures put in place to try and even up the comp either like they have now- salary cap, player points cap, afl listed players finals cap etc......and haven’t they all worked a treat?!?!?!

It can only go one way for Subi from this point in there Golden Era.Unbeaten in the League and premierships in all 3 grades.There coach has joined the AFL ,and wafl clubs will be poaching premiership ressie and colts players.Highly unlikely Subi will go another year unbeaten. However they havnt lost a home and away game since round1 2017.Pretty scary when you think about it.

mikeh wrote: Pardon my self indulgence but a debate on another thread about Subiaco's current dominance of the WAFL competition and the comparison between periods of dominance by other teams through the years sent me back to the record books to check.
Subiaco's run probably started in 2003 when they lost to West Perth in the premiership decider. In the 16 seasons since then they have contested 12 Grand Finals and won 7 of these. You could mount an strong argument that the figure would have been 9 if not for the Peel/Freo alignment.In this time the other flags have been won by WP(2), C(2), SF(2) and Swans as well as the two from Peel. Subiaco missed the finals twice in 16 seasons (2010 and 2013) but didnt really bottom out in either of these years.
Other comparable dominant runs of more than 10 years are Claremont (1987 - 1996) - played in 8 out of 10 grand finals for 5 flags, Perth(1966 -1978} -played in 8 out of 13 Grand finals for 5 flags, South Fremantle (1947 -56) 8 out of 10 Grand finals for 6 flags, East Fremantle (1928 - 1946) 14 out of 19 Grand finals for 9 flags, East Perth (1918 - 1928) 9 out of 11 Grand Finals for 7 flags and East Fremantle (1899 - 1912) who played in all 14 grand finals in these years and were successful 9 times.
Obviously some of the earlier streaks were achieved with less teams in the competition than there are today,but it does show that all dominant teams do eventually fall away in a cyclical pattern. The problem with the current Subiaco juggernaut is that it has only got stronger over the past few years and it is hard to see anybody putting up a realistic challenge to them in the foreseeable future.

Mike it looks like East Perth are going to get some concessions of the Wafc post the alignment. I can see them challenging Subi in 2 or 3 years time.Who knows maby Perth and Claremont, SFreo can in 2019.Even Swans lol.

mikeh wrote: Pardon my self indulgence but a debate on another thread about Subiaco's current dominance of the WAFL competition and the comparison between periods of dominance by other teams through the years sent me back to the record books to check.
Subiaco's run probably started in 2003 when they lost to West Perth in the premiership decider. In the 16 seasons since then they have contested 12 Grand Finals and won 7 of these. You could mount an strong argument that the figure would have been 9 if not for the Peel/Freo alignment.In this time the other flags have been won by WP(2), C(2), SF(2) and Swans as well as the two from Peel. Subiaco missed the finals twice in 16 seasons (2010 and 2013) but didnt really bottom out in either of these years.
Other comparable dominant runs of more than 10 years are Claremont (1987 - 1996) - played in 8 out of 10 grand finals for 5 flags, Perth(1966 -1978} -played in 8 out of 13 Grand finals for 5 flags, South Fremantle (1947 -56) 8 out of 10 Grand finals for 6 flags, East Fremantle (1928 - 1946) 14 out of 19 Grand finals for 9 flags, East Perth (1918 - 1928) 9 out of 11 Grand Finals for 7 flags and East Fremantle (1899 - 1912) who played in all 14 grand finals in these years and were successful 9 times.
Obviously some of the earlier streaks were achieved with less teams in the competition than there are today,but it does show that all dominant teams do eventually fall away in a cyclical pattern. The problem with the current Subiaco juggernaut is that it has only got stronger over the past few years and it is hard to see anybody putting up a realistic challenge to them in the foreseeable future.

You would be better to look at the most dominant Teams since the advent of the Eagles/Dockers.
From 1987 onwards, it would be Claremont and Subiaco. Claremont have fallen away of late, but Subi were around in the late 80s and 90s to present.

He Mikeh - good work, whats amazing in the historical figures , is how many teams make GFs, but how few of them they win in comparison , like 19 appearances for just 9 wins. ..incredible.

gtrxuone wrote: It can only go one way for Subi from this point in there Golden Era.Unbeaten in the League and premierships in all 3 grades.There coach has joined the AFL ,and wafl clubs will be poaching premiership ressie and colts players.Highly unlikely Subi will go another year unbeaten. However they havnt lost a home and away game since round1 2017.Pretty scary when you think about it.

How exciting will it be when they come back to the pack. The days of going into a season with a bit of optimism that your club can actually win a flag are gone temporarily.

Subi have finished with a % over 200 twice in recent years - that is a better measure of dominance. Not sure its been done before in the modern era let alone twice.

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gtrxuone wrote: It can only go one way for Subi from this point in there Golden Era.Unbeaten in the League and premierships in all 3 grades.There coach has joined the AFL ,and wafl clubs will be poaching premiership ressie and colts players.Highly unlikely Subi will go another year unbeaten. However they havnt lost a home and away game since round1 2017.Pretty scary when you think about it.

How exciting will it be when they come back to the pack. The days of going into a season with a bit of optimism that your club can actually win a flag are gone temporarily.

There not going to give up there domince easy.Have a feeling there next coach will be out of the AFL system.

Bazza wrote: He Mikeh - good work, whats amazing in the historical figures , is how many teams make GFs, but how few of them they win in comparison , like 19 appearances for just 9 wins. ..incredible.

19 GF for 9 wins at just under 50%....rather get in a GF and have a chance of a win then stumbling in the prelim I guess....