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swan42 wrote:

Freezin wrote: LOL....how farking old are you 42......well done Subi on reigniting a few players careers that seemed to be stagnating....every one deserves a second chance eh 42....

Exactly when was Robbo's career over? Sometime in February when he was training at Swans and shortly before he moved to Subiaco. No-one is disputing that Subiaco has provided the opportunity for some players in that category. Do you deny that Subiaco have also actively recruited players from opposition clubs that were in the upper echelons of those clubs and were not languishing in the reserves?

Physically Robbo may of been in his prime 42...mentally he like other high profile recruits may of needed a new challenge....thus the move to Subi.....who knows?...only Robbo ,Twomey and others could elaborate on that....but history states they left SD and other clubs to win a flag.....isnt that what it is all about come end of the day...being part of a successful team?

Firstly Robbo & Twomey were not Swans junior district players, Swans "poached" them from eastern states clubs who may or may not have been struggling clubs during their rampant and misguided spending spree that sent the club broke and hence left them with no other option but to go with players from their vast and lucrative junior and country zones. We all know the reports from that era that some players and staff at Swans were not paid their agreed contracts (no S42 I have no personal proof, just the many reports and articles that appeared in the media at the time). So what would you do if your work place couldn't pay you, of course you'd look to somewhere that can pay your wages.

As AR said and this is a repeat of what the SFC board has said and that was the recruiting of some recognized quality players and a number of players not getting a run at other clubs that the club identified as having what we needed was to make sure we could compete with the AFL teams which we have done with mixed success, beating the Eagles in '14 and losing to Freo in '16.

I know all the above will simply be ignored by the Black and white elite lead by S42 who's obvious pathological hatred of all things Maroon & Gold clouds any semblance of rational thought.

JT's article simply stated the facts of what EF, CL & SD are currently experiencing and what Subi has done to make themselves competitive with the AFL teams given the considerably smaller junior districts they have.

swan42 wrote:

ArkRoyal wrote: Careful Swan, Subi's best players are local, and in that, we are fortunate indeed.

AR fundamentally what Subi have done by recruiting players from Swans such as Twomey and Robbo effectively strengthened Subi and weakened Swans. And Subi's recruiting of such players was not limited to those two and to Swans. Of course a player may perform better playing for Subi than playing in a lesser team.

Also, in JT's article he doesn't speak to the possible impact of losing top class younger players for a number of years. I will also give another example in Steve Coniglio. Kicked 4 goals as a 16 year old in the 2010 GF. and In 2011 barely played a handful of games for Swans.

Yes yes kind of like Kenny Marshall except he came up through our ranks...

Senior Seagull wrote: Firstly Robbo & Twomey were not Swans junior district players, Swans "poached" them from eastern states clubs who may or may not have been struggling clubs during their rampant and misguided spending spree that sent the club broke and hence left them with no other option but to go with players from their vast and lucrative junior and country zones. We all know the reports from that era that some players and staff at Swans were not paid their agreed contracts (no S42 I have no personal proof, just the many reports and articles that appeared in the media at the time). So what would you do if your work place couldn't pay you, of course you'd look to somewhere that can pay your wages.

As AR said and this is a repeat of what the SFC board has said and that was the recruiting of some recognized quality players and a number of players not getting a run at other clubs that the club identified as having what we needed was to make sure we could compete with the AFL teams which we have done with mixed success, beating the Eagles in '14 and losing to Freo in '16.

I know all the above will simply be ignored by the Black and white elite lead by S42 who's obvious pathological hatred of all things Maroon & Gold clouds any semblance of rational thought.

JT's article simply stated the facts of what EF, CL & SD are currently experiencing and what Subi has done to make themselves competitive with the AFL teams given the considerably smaller junior districts they have.

My God it is difficult to have a logical discussion with some people. The indisputable FACT is that Robbo was training in February at SWANS. His CHOICE NO-ONE ELSE'S choice. What sane human being would do that if what you allege (WITH NO PROOF I hasten to add) is true? The FACT is he then moved to Subiaco and Subiaco were able to manage to fit him in under the points and/or salary caps!!!!!!!!!!

Vast country zone!!!!! Please outline Swans' vast country zone. Where did I assert that Robbo or Twomey were from Swans' junior zone? By the way it is a rhetorical question since there was no such assertion.

Media reports. It was asserted in media reports that Swans had breached their salary cap. That was PATENTLY and UTTERLY UNTRUE. So much for the credibility of such a media assertion.

Let's get to my allege "obvious pathological hatred of all things Maroon and Gold". I have said in response to a Freezin hypothetical that I would still think it is damaging to the WAFL if Swans were in Subiaco's shoes now. You may not like or believe that comment. I don't really care because fundamentally apart from the WAFC disdain and contempt for the WAFL competition the two most damaging factors to the viability of the WAFL is the host club alignment and Subiaco's dominance. If both continue in concert with the WAFC's mission statement to destroy the WAFL there will be no WAFL and no club, INCLUDING SUBIACO, will be afforded the chance to win the WAFL GF.

DG wrote:

swan42 wrote:

ArkRoyal wrote: Careful Swan, Subi's best players are local, and in that, we are fortunate indeed.

AR fundamentally what Subi have done by recruiting players from Swans such as Twomey and Robbo effectively strengthened Subi and weakened Swans. And Subi's recruiting of such players was not limited to those two and to Swans. Of course a player may perform better playing for Subi than playing in a lesser team.

Also, in JT's article he doesn't speak to the possible impact of losing top class younger players for a number of years. I will also give another example in Steve Coniglio. Kicked 4 goals as a 16 year old in the 2010 GF. and In 2011 barely played a handful of games for Swans.

Yes yes kind of like Kenny Marshall except he came up through our ranks...

DG there was movement both ways between all clubs in that era. However, absolutely no club in that era dominated the WAFL like Subiaco does now.

Yep, good article , but doesn't tell anyone that's been around WAFL for a couple or decades or more anything new.

We all know Claremont and EFFC have been the two biggest development clubs and that their club near entire ethos and structures are based around that. Its something they excel at, but it doesn't deliver results on the field.

This approach clearly has not delivered flags in the same way that EFFC worked pre Eagles.

It different strokes for different folks, for clubs like EFFC, financial survival is the key. hence the need for a constant flow of draft funds and they are good at it, for Subiaco its the flip side a constant flow of cash form other sources allows them to work outside the box recruit and pay players from near and far.
For everyone else in the middle its a bit of both.

DG wrote:

swan42 wrote:

ArkRoyal wrote: Careful Swan, Subi's best players are local, and in that, we are fortunate indeed.

AR fundamentally what Subi have done by recruiting players from Swans such as Twomey and Robbo effectively strengthened Subi and weakened Swans. And Subi's recruiting of such players was not limited to those two and to Swans. Of course a player may perform better playing for Subi than playing in a lesser team.

Also, in JT's article he doesn't speak to the possible impact of losing top class younger players for a number of years. I will also give another example in Steve Coniglio. Kicked 4 goals as a 16 year old in the 2010 GF. and In 2011 barely played a handful of games for Swans.

Yes yes kind of like Kenny Marshall except he came up through our ranks...

Ken Marshall was from Geraldton DG!

swan42 wrote:

DG wrote:

swan42 wrote:

ArkRoyal wrote: Careful Swan, Subi's best players are local, and in that, we are fortunate indeed.

AR fundamentally what Subi have done by recruiting players from Swans such as Twomey and Robbo effectively strengthened Subi and weakened Swans. And Subi's recruiting of such players was not limited to those two and to Swans. Of course a player may perform better playing for Subi than playing in a lesser team.

Also, in JT's article he doesn't speak to the possible impact of losing top class younger players for a number of years. I will also give another example in Steve Coniglio. Kicked 4 goals as a 16 year old in the 2010 GF. and In 2011 barely played a handful of games for Swans.

Yes yes kind of like Kenny Marshall except he came up through our ranks...

DG there was movement both ways between all clubs in that era. However, absolutely no club in that era dominated the WAFL like Subiaco does now.

Yes swan but with us it was shit for gold in most cases. True but you boys weren't bad in the early eighty's and the tiges had a pretty good run

Beasley Hutton wrote:

DG wrote:

swan42 wrote:

ArkRoyal wrote: Careful Swan, Subi's best players are local, and in that, we are fortunate indeed.

AR fundamentally what Subi have done by recruiting players from Swans such as Twomey and Robbo effectively strengthened Subi and weakened Swans. And Subi's recruiting of such players was not limited to those two and to Swans. Of course a player may perform better playing for Subi than playing in a lesser team.

Also, in JT's article he doesn't speak to the possible impact of losing top class younger players for a number of years. I will also give another example in Steve Coniglio. Kicked 4 goals as a 16 year old in the 2010 GF. and In 2011 barely played a handful of games for Swans.

Yes yes kind of like Kenny Marshall except he came up through our ranks...

Ken Marshall was from Geraldton DG!

Good observation inspector Beasley but I'm pretty sure he played colts and ressies with us

WAFL history is full of clubs dominanting eras. Happens for a number of different reasons, Subiaco are just doing it better than the rest of us at the moment.