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chaddy22 wrote: sanfl is way ahead of wafl.
the facts
1.perth has 2.02 million residents and adealide only 1.30 million and still gets more people to the footy.

2.went to a ten team competition in 1964 and realised their mistake and went back to a nine team comp in 1991.(we should've got rid of peel)

3.they owned and built eastlake which the sanfl own.What did we do.Instead of redeveloping perth oval (even george g was in favour) we decicided to redevlop subi and made it into 43,000 stadium that fitted in less people.

4.they have at least listened to the afl clubs and gave them what they basically wanted.we didn't and have a alignment which is not what the eagles or dockers asked for.

yes all true chaddy.
but we cant change the past now.
our history is littered with mistakes and wrong turns.
How can we either fix it, or slow the flow of decline ??
The SA way is the only way.

WAFL clubs, boards and presidents have to stand together as one and stamp hard until change is made. Yes this should have happened before but the 7 clubs will now have to do it alone. It must be unified to the core and relentless. For the sake of the next decade at least because outside of that we are gone if there is no new united front. I am sure most East Perth supporters would love that and as for Peel, they may as well be called Fremantle. They may actually get a crowd down there. 10 teams, no byes, all even, some credibility restored to a degree. Or we are dead - its that simple.

swan42 wrote:

chaddy22 wrote:

swan42 wrote: Jardine it is an interesting précis of the WAFL and SANFL competitions. Whilst mathematically the WAFL competition is closer if one analyses the WAFL competition I am not so sure that it is as close in reality. I note we moved from 7th to 3rd in one week. However, Subiaco are three games clear on top. The sham of clubs East Perth and Peel will be dependent on how many AFL players they have playing for them. If they have 15-18 AFL players how many clubs will be able to compete against them? Similarly, if one or both of Fremantle or Eagles make the AFL Grand Final and if East Perth and/or Peel make a Sunday WAFL what sort of a farce will it be?

Again your suggestion does not address the problem of players like Connor Blakely playing against Swans rather for Peel.

With respect to the crowd figures if you take at the Derby figure our crowds are not really comparable with the SANFL crowds. I don’t know but I wouldn’t think they would have had a SANFL crowd of fewer than 1,000 which is what we have had this season.

Fundamentally I believe the difference between the WAFL and the SANFL is that one controlling body cares for and makes decisions which are positive to their competition and one controlling body which are completely and utterly devoid of such actions and decisions.

Connor Blakely is not the problem.He is owned by the dockers and will play for whoever the dockers want him to play.I suppose you want Jeff Garlett to fly back and play for the swannies if he gets dropped from the Melbourne afl league team.The difference with the sanfl is they have thought this out.They gave the crows their own side with only top up players.they have to play rookies in the league side and they are nowhere close to a powerhouse.as for port power they took over the port adelaide magpies sanfl team but they have taken some of their zones to make sure they don't dominate the sanfl.The problem with the wafl is its clubs who thought they could control the eagles and dockers by not allowing them their own stand alone teams and thought they would cave in and allow their players to stay put.I have liked the idea of a stand alone west coast team with no zones and top up players and the dockers to take over peel and redistrubute their zones.10 teams no bye and back to 8 tradional clubs.much fairer system.

C22 We DON'T HAVE SLAVERY on this country; Connor Blakely IS NOT OWNED by the Dockers. Your late, and I am not so sure lamented club, got into bed with the Eagles, as did Peel with the Dockers. Without those two recalcitrant clubs we WOULD NOT HAVE a host club alignment. That combined with a completely submissive WAFC is why we are in the position we are now in with the WAFL competition.

Swan you continue to cling to the idea that a player who has chosen to and been fortunate enough to get an AFL contract somehow still belongs to your beloved club. The facts are Connor like any player drafted to an AFL club, is no longer a SD player, he is a contracted player of the Fremantle football club and either plays for them or with their affiliate being Peel ... at the moment. Yes he was one of your players who came up through the ranks but like happens at all clubs, if they are good enough they move onto the national comp. Maybe one day when he is delisted or finishes his AFL career he will again be a contracted SD player but until then he is Freo player. Do you feel that Twoemey and Robbo are still Swans players or that Elari is still a Perth Player? It is the same situation. It may be annoying that Connor lines up against Swans a couple of times a year as it is for Subi when former premiership player Josh Deluca lines up for Peel but we should wish the boys well and move on.

After seeing the debacle of the host clubs, now in it's second year, my opinion has changed to preferring the SANFL style model where WCE would have their standalone reserves team and the best thing for Freo and Peel is that Peel become fully the Freo reserves with the restrictions and conditions similar to those instigated by the SANFL who as always seem to be two steps ahead of the WAFL in the administration of their comp.

jardine wrote:

chaddy22 wrote: sanfl is way ahead of wafl.
the facts
1.perth has 2.02 million residents and adealide only 1.30 million and still gets more people to the footy.

2.went to a ten team competition in 1964 and realised their mistake and went back to a nine team comp in 1991.(we should've got rid of peel)

3.they owned and built eastlake which the sanfl own.What did we do.Instead of redeveloping perth oval (even george g was in favour) we decicided to redevlop subi and made it into 43,000 stadium that fitted in less people.

4.they have at least listened to the afl clubs and gave them what they basically wanted.we didn't and have a alignment which is not what the eagles or dockers asked for.

yes all true chaddy.
but we cant change the past now.
our history is littered with mistakes and wrong turns.
How can we either fix it, or slow the flow of decline ??
The SA way is the only way.

WAFL clubs, boards and presidents have to stand together as one and stamp hard until change is made. Yes this should have happened before but the 7 clubs will now have to do it alone. It must be unified to the core and relentless. For the sake of the next decade at least because outside of that we are gone if there is no new united front. I am sure most East Perth supporters would love that and as for Peel, they may as well be called Fremantle. They may actually get a crowd down there. 10 teams, no byes, all even, some credibility restored to a degree. Or we are dead - its that simple.

Some VERY VERY good points, the population difference is a damning indctement on the appaling state of WAFL attendances.

I cannot think of a single sporting organisation in the country that has made more wrong turns than the WAFL and WAFC, its been a litany of disaster. rushed into the VFL and paid top dollar, the shambles that is Subi Oval that is unowned by them, Indian Pacific, bankruptcy, The rushed introuction of the dockers, the introduction of peel, the alignment deal, it goes on and on.

Saying all that SANFL always had higher attendances than WAFl even in the hey day, however they had a bigger population than us at the time, now they are belting us with less people.

SA people are far more into local footy , you see it promoted proudly everywhere, it is an intergral part of state culture. also bear in mind the state is a bit poorer has less disposable bucks than WA, yet they support their local clubs far better.

WA is a front runner state, it only loves the hype of the big stuff and the media are to blame a lot for this, local media pump up the two AFL mobs so much that it is bordering on brian washing, its done huge damage, SA is more worldy its closer to Vic and has a lot of state pride in its SANFL and tribal history, its been wiped out here.

Perth life is at a higher pace than Adelaide, we are a mega consuming win at all costs elitist society. Adelaide may become this in the future but as it stands they have more time and inclination to be involved with a semi elite competition. In Perth AFL is king and absolutely nothing will change this in any tangible way. I'm no Bernard Salt but I believe this is a factor.

Larry Bird wrote: Perth life is at a higher pace than Adelaide, we are a mega consuming win at all costs elitist society. Adelaide may become this in the future but as it stands they have more time and inclination to be involved with a semi elite competition. In Perth AFL is king and absolutely nothing will change this in any tangible way. I'm no Bernard Salt but I believe this is a factor.

Good points Larry, yes it would interesting to get Bernard Salt to do a study on why this demographic is so different in the States.

Im a WA person born and bred , but gee I went over to Adelaide recently and your right there are some massive cultural differences going on, you only have to look at the city scape and retention and care of historic buildings to see they have a great deal of pride in state heritage, unlike Perth were the place was wiped out, further their pubs have real traditional culture and character, and yes they retain many non elite type pubs in the CBD, they still serve West End and Coopers , (try getting a Swan Draught in Perth) that anyone can feel welcome in, here its all wine bars . over priced boutique beer and tapas - that is if you can find a pub in the CBD.

Getting around Town the main attitude and boast people make here is how many free passes they can get into Corporate Boxes at the eagles or dockers (mainly to impress others), stuff the WAFL thats for losers..

SS point number 1 Twomey and Robinson CHOSE to go to Subiaco; that is fundamentally different to what happens with the host club alignment.

Secondly, I don't believe we should have indulged the Eagles and Dockers and should have maintained the status quo.

Thirdly, the most recent Simpson Medalist, Ryan Davis, is an example of what we have lost as a WAFL competition due to the host club alignment.

I make no apologies for my view that we should not have a host club alignment nor reserves' teams for the two WA domiciled AFL teams. What sort of competition have we got if the following occurs? Fremantle or West Coast make the AFL Grand Final and their aligned club makes the WAFL Grand Final to play say Subiaco on the SUnday preceding the AFL Grand Final and the decision is made by the WA domiciled AFL team in the AFL Grand Final that none of their players are available for the WAFL Grand Final. Another scenario where Fremantle rest a significant number of their first choice players and play their scond choice players. What impact on the integrity of the WAFL competition is there when their "reserves" team severley weakened plays a team fighting to make the WAFL finals?

I can tell you the sort of GF that would be the sort that would attract 4000 people with free tickets. 4500 if its fine.

Further to your comments re beer Bazza...the croweaters still brew their own state's homegrown iconic beers. We've even reduced ourselves to letting others brew our beer.
Guess the only thing WA can really gloat about now is being the nation's highest consumers of meth. We definitely got the croweaters covered on that one.

swan42 wrote: SS point number 1 Twomey and Robinson CHOSE to go to Subiaco; that is fundamentally different to what happens with the host club alignment.

Secondly, I don't believe we should have indulged the Eagles and Dockers and should have maintained the status quo.

Thirdly, the most recent Simpson Medalist, Ryan Davis, is an example of what we have lost as a WAFL competition due to the host club alignment.

I make no apologies for my view that we should not have a host club alignment nor reserves' teams for the two WA domiciled AFL teams. What sort of competition have we got if the following occurs? Fremantle or West Coast make the AFL Grand Final and their aligned club makes the WAFL Grand Final to play say Subiaco on the SUnday preceding the AFL Grand Final and the decision is made by the WA domiciled AFL team in the AFL Grand Final that none of their players are available for the WAFL Grand Final. Another scenario where Fremantle rest a significant number of their first choice players and play their scond choice players. What impact on the integrity of the WAFL competition is there when their "reserves" team severley weakened plays a team fighting to make the WAFL finals?

Do not have to be aligned for the afl to cruel your finals chances.four years ago east perth were playing east fremantle in a first semi and the dockers took over Zack Clarke and Dylan Roberton as emergencies.They could have taken griffen and any other docker on the sharks list.Not happy jan.If you want to go back to the past have a think how your club is a slave to the afl clubs.

1.They can move players who they think are not getting enough league time.
Peter Melesso,Ryan Turnball,Brent Connolly&Shane Arrowsmith.
2.They can rest players rather then play them in the wafl.
3.They can limit their game time.A game at leederville a few years ago had two eagles playing for east perth and two for the sharks who were only allowed to play 80 minutes due to a short week.
4.They can send players to early surgery even if your team is in the finals.
5.Demand a player to be played in a position that suits them
6.Trade players when it suits them Zannotti,peos,ischenko,gastev,lewis stevenson.remember they are not your players anymore once drafted by the afl.
It doesn't matter whether you have aligned clubs or go back to having the players shared around their is no integrity.

Ps will the dockers trade Connor Blakely for what they really need a key forward to replace Pav.

Dirty Weekender wrote: Further to your comments re beer Bazza...the croweaters still brew their own state's homegrown iconic beers. We've even reduced ourselves to letting others brew our beer.
Guess the only thing WA can really gloat about now is being the nation's highest consumers of meth. We definitely got the croweaters covered on that one.

Spot on mate. Swan and Emu now brewed in SA..oh the irony!