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Well ,
I guess most clubs are into full preseason now?

Footy back on the agenda...fantastic.

As mentioned previously to community football followers on this thread I will  share the circumstances behind one of the  most disgraceful stitch ups of a PFL club. (Why did witness X leave original club and go Sth of river)

To put simplistic as poss. 
After Cockburn beat witness X's team convincingly 2nd game of year, the Cockburn coach was "approached" by both the mother and sister of Witness X...the conversation was NOT facilitated by our coach.

The coach in question after listerning to the mother explain that 'X' wanted to go further with his career.
Coach laughed and replied "If  he ever moves Sth of the river, let him (coach) know as he was mate's with a WAFL league club assistant coach. (No names or ph #'s were shared as it was considered a flippant conversation att by said coach)

Next day (Sunday at 11 am) said coach recieved ph call from X who immediately mentioned his name and had obviously got his ph#.

Will leave there at.this stage.
(It can start to get a bit long)
 
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Guys moving on,
As mentioned Club Coach received ph call at 11 am from Witness X.

X explained he wanted a clearance to Cockburn, he wanted to 'test the waters' on going furtherb with his football career in WA.

It was made extremely clear to X this would not be a particularly 'good look' for him in regard to community footy.
He was 'strongly' advised to take a few days to REALLY think about it.

No joke, FIVE pm that afternoon he phoned Coach again and insisted on clearance going forward.

I will keep this short as possible as their is a substantial amount of information that still needs to be shared with you all.

Regardless one irrelevant fact I will share is at the time, the Cockburn Coach thought he had 'Won lotto' he explained how many calls are made to get a quality player to a C4 club.
Here was one calling him....well did he live to regret that conversation.
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Ok moving along on for what for some will be an extended long weekend, enjoy.

As instructed by X clearance went in. Also disappointingly (it was to be revealed by X) so did allegation from X's then present club to PFL.

The reason for allegation (as reported by X, as he was immediately pulled in by PFL) to Cockburn Coach was his club  said and I quote "Where there's smoke there must be fire".
Meaning his club assumed, as he had originally enquired as to how much his match payment would be...that Cockburn must be offering $$$. (2+2=5)

While it was disappointing to be thrown under the bus by a fellow club...that is not the key issue.
It could be expected that any individual, past player or rival club ect that may have a axe to grind,  will make allegations and thus that is where due diligence would be expected to kick in?

X maintained he had not been offered money (travel or otherwise) He consistently stated this fact to the PFL over the period of the investigation leading up to the 'First Hearing'.

Will end here and pick up from said 'Hearing' next post.
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Ok guys,
before getting to PFL Hearing think it's important to bring you up to speed on a few points.

First.
The club was offered as a penalty the loss of two game premiership points.
This was rejected out of hand...they had simply not done as alleged. (It is worth noting, such a penalty would not have impeded Club as they were top of the ladder) From here on it seems to get a little personal?

The coaches previous club was then approached in a quest to get any possible incriminating information. (Coach is a life member of said club) He was that clubs colts coach the year before.
Relevance to the Case in point....absolutely Zero.
It just illustrates how far the PFL went to build a case where there was none, to get evidence where there wasn't any!

Moving on to first hearing and at this point I would like to raise a question come comment.
It is my understanding (incorrectly I hope) that this mechanism of governance has now been removed?
If so I can only add that club presidents must have been asleep at the wheel to let this get through!
If so it is now literally a case of judge, jury and executioner.
Pls correct me if I'm mistaken.

Anyway PFL Hearing went ahead and to keep relevant as poss will keep short.
The case was dismissed due to lack of evidence....
Said coach was frustrated as to how it had got to this and made the point "Where are the checks and balances required to haul any  club up to such a hearing", he was duly reminded the case was dismissed and that would be the end of the matter UNLESS evidence (new) was made forth coming.

Been.quite a long post so will.end here, t
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Ok case 'dismissed'....now.
Why did X leave Cockburn to go back Nth of river to another club?

Cockburn to its surprise (after all it and X had been through) received a request from X for clearance.
Upon contacting X he said he'd received work opportunity by a club that was close to home.
It made sense  for X and as Cockburn Coach had decided he while being quite talented was not up to WAFL level.
The clearance was granted without a hitch...X even putting in writing (for record) what he had been repeating to the PFL that no travel $$ had been offered.

If X thought for a second with the case 'dismissed'  a move to another club would mean a fresh start, he was in for a rude shock!

As the second half of season progressed X receiveded demands to attend a interview with PFL integrity.
Having dealt with individual before he consistently resisted until subjected 'to attend' or be deregistered for a period of up to two years' for not doing so.

X finally relented under threat unfortunately only to walk into another one.
He was informed he needed to sign stat Dec or he would be deregistered for enquiring about $$$ at his original club.

As we now know he signed it and apart from allowing him to now play in what was to be a premiership team his 'luck' changed immediately. 
After complying to sign he walked out of with a football compliments PFL and in 2018 featured on PFL Web page in his now premiership jumper.

Next post, 2nd hearing.
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Ok PFL 'armed with new evidence' again instructed Cockburn to appear before a panel for hearing.

The result is well known so will just focus on events of hearing.
First entirely different panel, second (and this is where concern started to kick in for club)
Witness X was 'hidden' in seperate room so as not to meet club representatives, particularly coach.

This is not a case of not knowing who witness was and thus keeping identity secret on behalf of a 'whistle blower'.
It was explained (by panel) X felt uncomfortable....I bet he felt uncomfortable!
The coach later stated had X had to look coach in eye, he (coach) had no doubt he would not have been able to go through with his 'evidence'

Regardless Cockburn.were instructed to leave building so X could testify.
Once he was completed he was led out of building and allowed home.

Then Cockburn were led in, as we know it came down to stat. dec vs stat dec.
Determination was ultimately based on "PROBABILITY" the panel summary stated  probability of travelling to Sth of river club was unlikely without assistance, it was also stated X came across as a sincere and genuine witness?

Well here is where Its a bit hard to believe.

Asked "How much was offered for travel assistance"
X replies "dont know"
Asked "ok, did you receive travel assistance"
X "no"
Asked again "OK why did you not chase up travel assistance in the 6/7 weeks you were there?"​​​​
X "Oh I forgot"

Now pls allow me ....
The reason X did not know value of assistance.
'Probability' no value was offered.
The reason X did not receive any travel  assistance.
'Probability' no such assistance was offered.
The reason X forgot to chase up in nearly 2 months.
'Probability' there was nothing to remember!!

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Penalties applied ect.
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You blokes can start another topic surely??
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Because Stinker of the ridiculous topic header that had nothing to do with the ongoing posts and discussion. It's not too hard for you to start a new topic is it?

How about PFL pre season? Don't post that rubbish again I just deleted.
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