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gtrxuone wrote: I was told just then that Freo where not happy with Hogan's foot.After his medical with the club.They asked Jesse to have another foot operation. He said no and hoped on a plane to Bali.

Was that in the Sail and Anchor gtr? Throw away line, it is not up to Fremantle to tell Hogan to go and have an operation while he's still a Melbourne player.

Everyone is pointing the finger at Fremantle but it all starts with Brisbane and Fremantle have to be realistic what they ask for Neale. Their first round pick and a second round pick is a reasonable ask and if they get it Fremantle should offer those picks up for Hogan.

To be in a position to land Hogan and Lobb in the same trade period is a dream position and may not come Fremantle's way for another 10 years. If Fremantle are thinking we want to hang on to pick 5 (assuming they get it) to pick up one of the gun forwards in the draft they will find themselves fighting to hang on to them within 2 to 4 years.

Hawthorn took a gamble on O'Meara who hardly played a game for the last 3 years prior to landing at Hawthorn and he played most games and looked fantastic. Fremantle took a gamble on Harley with chronic calves and questionable character.

Jesse is worth the gamble for whatever Fremantle gets for Lachie IMO and if they force Lachie to play in purple next year they won't get a 100% committed and happy player who will be out the door in a flash as soon as the season is over.

DD wrote:

gtrxuone wrote: I was told just then that Freo where not happy with Hogan's foot.After his medical with the club.They asked Jesse to have another foot operation. He said no and hoped on a plane to Bali.

Was that in the Sail and Anchor gtr? Throw away line, it is not up to Fremantle to tell Hogan to go and have an operation while he's still a Melbourne player.

Everyone is pointing the finger at Fremantle but it all starts with Brisbane and Fremantle have to be realistic what they ask for Neale. Their first round pick and a second round pick is a reasonable ask and if they get it Fremantle should offer those picks up for Hogan.

To be in a position to land Hogan and Lobb in the same trade period is a dream position and may not come Fremantle's way for another 10 years. If Fremantle are thinking we want to hang on to pick 5 (assuming they get it) to pick up one of the gun forwards in the draft they will find themselves fighting to hang on to them within 2 to 4 years.

Hawthorn took a gamble on O'Meara who hardly played a game for the last 3 years prior to landing at Hawthorn and he played most games and looked fantastic. Fremantle took a gamble on Harley with chronic calves and questionable character.

Jesse is worth the gamble for whatever Fremantle gets for Lachie IMO and if they force Lachie to play in purple next year they won't get a 100% committed and happy player who will be out the door in a flash as soon as the season is over.

DD a friend drinking at that pub under the Freo bridge.Where ROly Lyon drinks.

ooollllrrrrrry2 wrote:

BC wrote:

ooollllrrrrrry2 wrote:

BC wrote: It sounds like Freo were hoping to get Hogan with pick 11 and Lobb with pick 23 keeping pick 5 and whatever else they can get from Brissy in the bank for the main draft. Problem with that strategy is that neither Melbourne or GWS would accept those trades.

Sure, but as you have put it sounds like what Freo were hoping for.


Problem is, as put, neither Melbourne or GWS would accept those trades. However, it appears Fremantle should just bend over and take whatever is on offer.

The people least in Fremantle's corner on all topics, all year round, are the same ones who would berate them for not seeking the appropriate compensation from Brisbane for releasing Neale whilst he is under contract.

They are the same who would not acknowledge the metal of Fremantle holding out for pick 2 for Weller last year, it seems some think they should just fold quicker than superman on laundry day so they can then have a crack at them for it.


By the way Hogan is not actually the be all and end all, it is not as if West Coast are emerging to take Fremantles place seeings he is so keen to come back to WA.


So why is that? Perhaps they are keeping powder dry for a run next week, who knows.


Hating a football club and rationalising decisions on trades are two different things, and when all you opinions are negative on one then you lose objectivity on the other.

No but Freo aren't being realistic on what would get Hogan over the line. GC got pick 3 as compensation for Lynch. Surely that would give an indication on what Hogan may be worth....probably not a pick 3 but better than a pick 11. A good deal is where both parties come away disappointed but with this one, Freo has missed out on a key forward which they've been trying to get for some time because of unrealistic trade offers.

Of course, its Fremantle not being realistic. But of course Brisbane is not in there ask for Neale, like you said a good deal is where both parties come away disappointed. In this case there is more than one party or two, not just Melbourne and Fremantle in this one. There are plenty of others and there is no reason why Fremantle should be the whipping boys for a whole host of trade deals - just so the usual Fremantle haters can have another excuse to bang on about how much they don't like them.
Why don't Brisbane just cough up what Neale is worth and then it may all get sorted.

That's crap oolll. I'm not a Freo hater but think the likes of Bell and Rosich are out of their depth as they had an opportunity to land a key forward in his prime and blew it. Let's see how they go with Lobb and Neale. This time next year if WCE want a replacement for Kennedy and Hogan wants to come back to WA I can guarantee they'll get it done.

All the media are saying Fremantle have pulled out, lost interest, no longer interested etc...... in Hogan. Surely if the Neale deal is done Fremantle will make another offer. Are Fremantle trying to call Melbourne's bluff or have they shut the door on getting Hogan?

This next week has the ability to define the Fremantle FC for decades to come. Already a questionable history that has resulted in Fremantle being the butt of jokes this will put Fremantle's questionable history in the shade if Freo turn their backs on Hogan and he goes on to be one of the great forwards in the AFL (at a club other than Fremantle). It could be at least on a par with Neeshams "I don't rate you" assessment of Andrew McLeod.

What a pity George Grljusich isn't still around, poor bugger must be rolling around in his grave.

So let's try and understand Fremantle for a second. They are trying to force Neale to stay who doesn't want to be there, turned their back on Hogan who wants to come home and play for Fremantle and, wait for it............... Offered pick 11 to Geelong for Kelly who has told Fremantle countless times "I'm not interested in going to Fremantle". You are not having a good week Fremantle.

DD, you sound like one of "the haters"

DD wrote: All the media are saying Fremantle have pulled out, lost interest, no longer interested etc...... in Hogan. Surely if the Neale deal is done Fremantle will make another offer. Are Fremantle trying to call Melbourne's bluff or have they shut the door on getting Hogan?

This next week has the ability to define the Fremantle FC for decades to come. Already a questionable history that has resulted in Fremantle being the butt of jokes this will put Fremantle's questionable history in the shade if Freo turn their backs on Hogan and he goes on to be one of the great forwards in the AFL (at a club other than Fremantle). It could be at least on a par with Neeshams "I don't rate you" assessment of Andrew McLeod.

What a pity George Grljusich isn't still around, poor bugger must be rolling around in his grave.

So let's try and understand Fremantle for a second. They are trying to force Neale to stay who doesn't want to be there, turned their back on Hogan who wants to come home and play for Fremantle and, wait for it............... Offered pick 11 to Geelong for Kelly who has told Fremantle countless times "I'm not interested in going to Fremantle". You are not having a good week Fremantle.

Sounds like a good strategy.Should let Neale go and move on with getting lobb at least and maybe Hogan.Getting Kelly seems like the childish thing you expect from the dockers.Anytime they think they can trump the eagles in any small way is like a premiership.Tim Kelly is a smart fellow and realises he either stays at a good side for a year or comes to a good side this year or next year.

smokey wrote: Love your theory Mr AFL. It is what trade should be about but sadly not all parties want to come to the table and "trade" and, in your proposal, are there too many clubs involved to arrive at a final outcome where every club involved would be a winner?
I doubt that Freo would want to "trade" with the Eagles ATM given the Gaff incident.

Yes there are a lot of clubs involved but while the deals overlap, each one is a separate transaction from the other. So you would only be dealing with one club at a time. Get that deal done and move onto the next etc...

I think it works out well for most clubs. Adelaide move above Port in the draft to get the nest SA kid at that pick, Melbourne get a future first which is likely to be a top 10 pick and Eagles get 11 which should be enough to satisfy the Cats for Kelly.

There might be some tensions between Freo and WCE you are right. But if the deal strengthens our draft hand then you just have to move on and do whats better for your club in the long run.

ooollllrrrrrry2 wrote:

MarkOlsen wrote: he is contracted, how is he being forced to stay ?
Brisbane and Neale are the ones trying to break a contract, like anything else in life if you want to break a contract you have to accept it may not end how you want it to..

Exactly right, this is another one where if Fremantle don't get the world they have failed and if they do give in to him they have also failed.


Fact is he is probably worth more next year as a compensation pick as a restricted player than what Brisbane are currently offering so maybe Brisbane and Neale are the ones who need to suck it up.

Because of his contract Neale wont be worth a top picks next year as compensation. With his contract on about 450k a year I think that would likely see us get an end of first round compensation pick. Being restricted though Fremantle have the chance to match any offer that is put to Neale and force a trade if that's what they chose to do. This is all providing Neale is still at Fremantle in 2019 though.

BC wrote: I'm not sure it will Freez. Whichever early pick Freo gets for Neale say Brissy's pick 5 would probably be used to get Lobb. I think the swapping of pick 6 with PA's was the move that took Hogan out of the equation as Melbourne were never going to accept pick 11 for him....surely Bell and Rosich must have known that. Were they trying to pull a swifty and get Hogan on the cheap I wonder?

Rory Lobb is not worth a first round draft pick. With the fire sale going on at GWS he's worth a second round at best. Hawthorn look likely to get Tom Scully for a third round pick. Is Lobb better than Scully?

GWS need to get their salary cap down that's why they appear to be happy to let players go for a little less than what they are actually valued.

I'm a Freo hater, it's open season as usual... Lobb is not Hogan. Get Hogan or be the laughing stock of the AFL for another 20 years