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Listening to the news and the 'investigation' is well under way.
Once again, the yanks asking all the wrong questions in the wrong direction!

58shark wrote:

anchorman wrote: Donald Trum closed his speech off last night with "God bless America.
It should have been "God help America", because it sure needs some help.

You're right with this anchor, but you should add "because we won't help ourselves". The old saying is God helps those that help themselves, but pity helps those that won't.
Can you imagine what would happen in Australia if this went on every month? The ruling government of the day would come down with sledge hammers and anything like the NRA would have no say.

Spot on 58....in fact, if this was happening in any other first world country not only Australia there would be outrage and changes in laws.

The American mind set regarding guns is the issue, they buy guns for so called home/self defence then hide behind their fucked up constitution!! Yes we all need half a dozen AK47's in the cupboard for self defence. Why is it that the country to their north has a much higher proportion of gun ownership than the US but a mere fraction of a percentage of the gun related crime? Because the Canadians buy guns for hunting, which is almost their national sport eh. Those guns are not automatic or even semi-automatic. As someone said previously the availability of these auto/semi-auto assault rifles is why 20 or 30+ people die when a loony flips instead of 1 or 2 ... which is bad enough.

There's a very good piece online by Michael Pascoe where he correctly points out that semi automatic weapons are only designed for killing large amounts of people. They're not suitable for hunting and are pretty much useless at close quarters in a situation where someone breaks into your home and you wish to defend yourself. They're military grade and are efficient in war time but why you'd buy one really makes you wonder what the intentions of that person are.

www.watoday.com.au/business/comment-and-...20171106-gzg6jh.html

premiership hangover wrote: I'm not sure if you guys are giving Sir Donald the respect he deserves.

30 years ago America had the same gun laws as they do now, and we didn't have issues of random shootings in society, hell I know guys that went to University in the southern states of the USA and they all had shotguns in their gun racks in the cars they drove to school. The biggest difference then was if you disagreed with someone you didn't go and get high on drugs and shoot them, you went behind the sheds with them and sorted it out fist to fist.

Nowadays if people disagree with what someone has said to them or worse, someone looked at them in a way they didn't like they go and jack themselves up on drugs, blame mental health issues for being unstable and go and shoot the shit out of people.

This isn't the gun doing this action, this is the idiot that can get his hands on the gun that is doing the trouble, get rid of the guns and like Europe is finding out people will use cars etc. for weapons.

So for Mr Trump to say its not a gun issue but more a mental health/society issue is probably closer to the mark than you all believe

Trust me I own a gun and that gun will never kill anyone, unless I get stoned on drugs, blame mental health issues because society becomes to hard and then use the gun in a bad way.....that's not the guns fault

Nah sorry mate, I don't cop that.

Yes every nation has mental health issues, but not all of them in fact most don't let them run around with military grade weapons of even have access to them

Its true that many states have had slack gun laws for a long time , but I have read a lot on gun ownership in the US, and prior to the 1950's even though gun ownership was easy in some places , actual gun ownership was quite a bit rarer than it is now, and the really big difference is the type of guns, single shot rifles or shot guns in the main are a long away from semi auto ( or auto) military grade assault rifles that are readily available now.

To say there is no connection between access to guns and gun deaths is complete NRA bullshit.

Here is another stat for you, 1300 children die in the USA every year from guns. How many just over the border in Canada die? Spot the difference?

anchorman wrote: BC,why would they buy one!!!!! because they can.

that's true anchor but as Pascoe points out, the fact someone wants to buy a military grade semi automatic assault rifle is the very reason they shouldn't be selling them to that person in the first place.

Were guns once sold in KMart here?

BC wrote:

anchorman wrote: BC,why would they buy one!!!!! because they can.

that's true anchor but as Pascoe points out, the fact someone wants to buy a military grade semi automatic assault rifle is the very reason they shouldn't be selling them to that person in the first place.

Its a spiral BC, if the bloke up the road has a rapid fire and you think you can get a semi auto to out gun him you go and get it, then he goes and gets a fully auto conversion kit, with a higher calibre and it spirals up and up