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swan42 wrote:

UNKA2 wrote:

swan42 wrote:

UNKA2 wrote: Pity labors primary vote was inder 30% ( yup under 30%)
at the recent election,lowest since ohh the second world war?. Lucky S42 you are smarter than the rest of have deserted the party

Unka2 the day the Liberals have policies which are attuned to my values they will get my vote. But given what Pyne is doing with respect to Uni places and given that he asked a GRAND TOTAL of THREE QUESTIONS relating to Education in the entire three years of the last parliament it is very unlikely that they will be getting my vote anytime soon.

. Pity you cant convince others mate, as i said UNDER 30% primary vote, how sad for your mob. Once the labor party distnace themselves from being a party that is run by the unions amd thier thugs, they wont be getting my vote anytime soon.

I don't understand what you are trying to say hey Unka2. Are you for or against the Labor Party have affiliations with trade unionists? We came back after the schism in the 50s which gave birth to the DLP and the DLP's sole purpose was to ensure the ALP never got back into government. We came back after the disgraceful actions of Sir (what a joke) John Kerr and we came back after the John 'children overboard, AWB bribe scandal, et al' Howard. We will come back again after the Tony "I don't believe in Climate Change due to human action even though at latest count 95-97% of the scientists qualified in climate studies believe it is true' Abbott.

What a load of crap , the DLP formed as a result of communist infiltration into the ALP , the miltant communist takeober of unions like the Painter and Dockers who were exerting way to much influence over the ALP, if anything the DLP movement probaly saved the entire labor movement in Australia from going down the drain.

Bazza wrote:

swan42 wrote:

UNKA2 wrote:

swan42 wrote:

UNKA2 wrote: Pity labors primary vote was inder 30% ( yup under 30%)
at the recent election,lowest since ohh the second world war?. Lucky S42 you are smarter than the rest of have deserted the party

Unka2 the day the Liberals have policies which are attuned to my values they will get my vote. But given what Pyne is doing with respect to Uni places and given that he asked a GRAND TOTAL of THREE QUESTIONS relating to Education in the entire three years of the last parliament it is very unlikely that they will be getting my vote anytime soon.

. Pity you cant convince others mate, as i said UNDER 30% primary vote, how sad for your mob. Once the labor party distnace themselves from being a party that is run by the unions amd thier thugs, they wont be getting my vote anytime soon.

I don't understand what you are trying to say hey Unka2. Are you for or against the Labor Party have affiliations with trade unionists? We came back after the schism in the 50s which gave birth to the DLP and the DLP's sole purpose was to ensure the ALP never got back into government. We came back after the disgraceful actions of Sir (what a joke) John Kerr and we came back after the John 'children overboard, AWB bribe scandal, et al' Howard. We will come back again after the Tony "I don't believe in Climate Change due to human action even though at latest count 95-97% of the scientists qualified in climate studies believe it is true' Abbott.

What a load of crap , the DLP formed as a result of communist infiltration into the ALP , the miltant communist takeober of unions like the Painter and Dockers who were exerting way to much influence over the ALP, if anything the DLP movement probaly saved the entire labor movement in Australia from going down the drain.

Would that be the same Communist Party that the Menzies Government unconstitutionally tried to ban in the 50s and such a ban was rejected at a referendum? Explain your comment about saving the union movement.

Also, now isn't it interesting the the Liberals are bleating about a Democratic Liberal Party. The same party which reaped the benefits for many years from the DEMOCRATIC LABOUR PARTY. The sheer and breathtaking hypocrisy.

Yes your right Menzies did try to outlaw the ACP, obviously that did not work, but that clearly has absolutley nothing to do with the confirmed infiltration of the trade union movement in Australia at the time by the communist party, which was a standard ploy they used all wround thw world, it is hard to ebelive now , but the ACP was very large and very active in 1950's Australia and the US and UK.

They saved the union movement by not allowing a full blown marxist infiltration of the union movement, many unions had predominantly working class catholics as members who were strongly opposed to communism, had it not been for them the labor movememt would of fallen under the control of the extreme left wing.

I have not heard any bleating abould the Dem Libs, who are really a nothing party, are you talking about the no 1 spot on the ticket paper and confusing name, I would of thought that it was pretty obvious considering there high primary vote that they gained a quite few donkey votes from that, and the use of the word liberal.

They only gained 1 senate seat - which is bugger all, and considering they are extreme civil and classic libertarians, I cant see the one senator posing any serious threat to the coalition. The hypoocrisy is non existant. They are in favour of very small govt and low tax.

Which is nothing like the DLP situation in the 60's , the DLP split was a break away Labor Movement that had no connection at all with the Liberal Party, It's existance its owned entirely to the failure of the labor movement to control its factions, weak/poor leadership under Evatt, Caldwell who refused any reunification discussions as they were beholden to unions who had marxists infiltration ( this is why the DLP preferenced the Libs). this lead to disenfrancising the working class irish catholic labor vote (mainly in Victoria the manufacturing heartland) that had fundamentally formed the australian labor movement.

Bazza wrote: Yes your right Menzies did try to outlaw the ACP, obviously that did not work, but that clearly has absolutley nothing to do with the confirmed infiltration of the trade union movement in Australia at the time by the communist party, which was a standard ploy they used all wround thw world, it is hard to ebelive now , but the ACP was very large and very active in 1950's Australia and the US and UK.

They saved the union movement by not allowing a full blown marxist infiltration of the union movement, many unions had predominantly working class catholics as members who were strongly opposed to communism, had it not been for them the labor movememt would of fallen under the control of the extreme left wing.

I have not heard any bleating abould the Dem Libs, who are really a nothing party, are you talking about the no 1 spot on the ticket paper and confusing name, I would of thought that it was pretty obvious considering there high primary vote that they gained a quite few donkey votes from that, and the use of the word liberal.

They only gained 1 senate seat - which is bugger all, and considering they are extreme civil and classic libertarians, I cant see the one senator posing any serious threat to the coalition. The hypoocrisy is non existant. They are in favour of very small govt and low tax.

Which is nothing like the DLP situation in the 60's , the DLP split was a break away Labor Movement that had no connection at all with the Liberal Party, It's existance its owned entirely to the failure of the labor movement to control its factions, weak/poor leadership under Evatt, Caldwell who refused any reunification discussions as they were beholden to unions who had marxists infiltration ( this is why the DLP preferenced the Libs). this lead to disenfrancising the working class irish catholic labor vote (mainly in Victoria the manufacturing heartland) that had fundamentally formed the australian labor movement.

Bazza such a revisionist and dare one say illogical view of the DLP and how it was formed. I find it incredible that you think that the supposed non-Communists, in cahoots with B A Santamaaria and Archbishop Mannix, formed the DLP and hence somehow saved the ALP and/or the Trade Union movement. One would think that for your premise to be accurate that would have made the ALP more left-wing.

The bottom line is that the DLP's sole raison d'etre was to prevent a ALP Federal Government and they were successful for a long time.

Whilst I am by no means an expert on the ALP it is my understanding that the Labor Party roots can be traced back to Queensland, NSW and SA before Victoria.

As for your dismissal of the complaints about the name LDP you are either misinformed or just disingenuous.