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When a player runs with the ball he must bounce it to gain ground. On a wet day he may run & tap the ball on the ground or if Irish just kick it free of hands & catch it or kick/handball, no other way of disposal so penalised by the umpire. Stuff this NO PRIOR ticket.
If the player goes to the ground & the ball touches the grass then it's HOLDING THE BALL. If the tackler touches the player below the knees, above the shoulders, touches the head or jumps onto or pushes the players back then a free MUST be paid the the ball holder.
That is the problem, too many incorrect tackles not penalised.

It’s got me stuffed. Sheed had the ball then was swamped before he knew what happened. The ball dislodged and he was trying to get out of the pack (without the ball) and was called for holding the ball. You could argue that it was incorrect disposal because he had the ball then it was taken off him. But holding the ball, no freaking way!!! That was one of several that I couldn’t make heads nor tails of - on both teams. It’s an absolute mess at the moment.

I don't think there is a call for incorrect disposal, but there should be.

A lot of the decisions they are pinging for holding the ball really are for incorrect disposal.

premiership hangover wrote: I don't think there is a call for incorrect disposal, but there should be.

A lot of the decisions they are pinging for holding the ball really are for incorrect disposal.

I don’t know the rule nowadays ph, but way back when I umpired, people thought “dropping the ball” was a rule. Of course, we all know it wasn’t, so if queried, we were told to tell the player that it was an incorrect disposal.

Way back when I umpired the law stated the player with the ball had to be retarded, given the opportunity to dispose or attempt to dispose of the ball.
And then if he took too long he was found holding the ball.
How many time times did I call "he tried"?
Many!!!
The spirit of the law (written in black and white) was to keep the ball in motion.
There was no such law as dropping the ball.
If the ball was knocked out of his hands it was play on.
If he had the ball and was shoved into the ground and jumped on he was given the free kick for in the back.
A player must be given the incentive to be first to the ball.
Unfortunately the administration of football has been given to meatheads.
Wind back the clock get the laws of the game right and then shut the f**k up.
Constant changes happen not only yearly but by the game.
Victorians may have invented the game but it is Victorians that continue to ruin it.
And someone please teach the umpires the correct way to position them selves.
I could stand in the middle of the ground umpire on my own and do a better job.

The laws of the game are pretty clear, NOT

17.6.3 Free Kicks - Holding the Ball: Incorrect Disposal
Where a Player in Possession of the Football has not had Prior Opportunity,
a Free Kick shall be awarded if that Player elects to Incorrectly Dispose of
the football when Legally Tackled.
For the avoidance of doubt, a Player does not elect to Incorrectly Dispose
of the football when:
(a) the Player genuinely attempts to Correctly Dispose of the football;
(b) the Legal Tackle causes the football to be dislodged from the
Player’s possession.
17.6.4 Free Kicks - Holding the Ball: No Genuine Attempt
Where a Player is in Possession of the Football and is able but does not genuinely
attempt to Correctly Dispose of the football when Legally Tackled, a Free Kick
shall be awarded.

It is my view that a player with the ball is taken to the ground while in possession of the ball and is then jumped on by 2 or more opposition players should not be penalised.
In most instances he should be awarded a free kick for in the back..
IMO it should be illegal to take a player in possession to ground and have 1 or more players on top of him and not attempting to dislodge the ball and take possession .
There will always be arguments about the current law. As it stands it is a free license to clog up the game in order to get the free kick or at least a stoppage.
In about 75% of games this produces very ugly football.

smokey wrote: It is my view that a player with the ball is taken to the ground while in possession of the ball and is then jumped on by 2 or more opposition players should be penalised.
In most instances he should be awarded a free kick for in the back..
IMO it should be illegal to take a player in possession to ground and have 1 or more players on top of him and not attempting to dislodge the ball and take possession .
There will always be arguments about the current law. As it stands it is a free license to clog up the game in order to get the free kick or at least a stoppage.
In about 75% of games this produce very ugly football.

Smokey it is quite clearly a tactic these days to "trap" the player on the bottom of the pack with the ball to make it look like he's made no attempt, when as you say it should be the tackler who also should be making an attempt to win the ball.

In my view if a player is tackled and doesn't get rid of the ball by foot or hand he should be penalised for holding the ball. That makes it very simple and rewards the tackler.

BC I agree with your idea, but the people running the game don't want that because they think it will not encourage the man to go for the ball.
There is a perception that players will sit and lay tackles rather than get the ball. It may happen at times but I don't think it will happen every time, because we see lots of examples where players get the ball and the tackler isn't good enough to lay the tackle