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The Sebit reunion 2 months 4 days ago #220286

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Very curious to see how new Peel recruit[oops sorry Fremantle!] Sebit Kueck,fares against his ex Royals teamates, and whether an excellent performance can elevate him ahead of the likes Taberner and Treacy,and see him make his much anticipated AFL debut after the mid season bye.

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They did recruit Sebit to play AFL didn't they?????

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Surely he should play for the Royals if/when not playing for the Dockers until the end of the season.

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Surely he should play for the Royals if/when not playing for the Dockers until the end of the season.

I'm pretty sure it was a like for like replacement for Derksen,lets see how honorable their intentions are,and i stand to be corrected on the length of his contract,and see what they do when it expires at the end of the year.

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I see East Perth have denied Peel permission for Kuek to play league against you guys this week. Good on the club I say as clearly this was a back door way by Freo to get an outstanding long term project player outside the normal draft.

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Thats interesting, how are they able to do that? I thought once they are drafted that's it apart from a finals appearance. If EP make the finals they may have to ask permission from Freo to let him play, which could also get interesting.

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I think that under  the WAFL Competition rules & regs only WCE’s mid season draftees are eligible to play for their original WAFL Club if they are not playing in an AFL game (but that seemed to require  the WAFL club to take them for the rest of the year / which seems unlikely). This does not seem to apply to the Dockers as they are in a partnership arrangement rather than stand alone.
However, the WAFL rules allow for any player drafted in the AFL mid season draft (even interstate) to play finals with their original WAFL club (subject to approval of WAFL & AFL clubs and the WAFC & AFL) (presumably that how Parker played for Souths last year).
I think that the arrangement with the AFL and WAFC (ie not within the WAFL Rules & Regs) is that a WAFL club can object to a player playing  for WCE or Dockers againt them, if  the player was drafted from their club in the mid season AFL Draft.
if that’s right East Perth are within their rights to object to Kuek playing this week.
East Perth , Peel and Dockers will presumably act in their own interests as they are clearly entitled to do. But, it would be reasonable and probably expected that East Perth would object. 

As for the Dockers recruiting Kuek-
first we can all gripe about the reasons for the mid-season AFL Draft and it’s impact on the WAFL Clubs but that argument is lost - the rules are the rules - and I would expect  every AFL club to act in their best interests in pursuit of AFL victories and I would be very surprised if the Dockers would make any recruiting decision just to piss off a WAFL club. 
Secondly, the Dockers have some history in taking their own NGA players and to be patient with their development (even if they are not ready to immediately play AFL) (Eric Benning is perhaps the most recent example). They have also taken long term views with other talls and skinny forwards in the 190+ height bracket (eg Meek and Sturt). The Dockers also have the luxury of taking time to develop a few players eg Treacy and Amiss (before he was injured) because they are doing well in the AFL. The WCE have not been as good, in my opinion, in their NGA selections (and Kuek was NGA available to WCE).
thirdly, Dockers seem to be drafting for pace and might be reaching the end of their patience with Sturt. Kuek fits the bill in both those areas.
fourthly,  the Royals fans posting on here seem to think Kuek is a gun WAFL player (without whom East Perth have a less potent forward line). So why wouldn’t the Dockers be interesting in recruiting such a player? Good on them for giving a go to a “mature age” player who has had to do some hard yards in the WAFL.
finally, it seems to me that the biggest impediment on Kuek playing AFL (and probably stopped him playing more senior WAFL football earlier) is that he is not a full time professional and his body is light. Neither of those things can be changed unless he is on an AFL list. Chicken and egg.
all credit to Kuek who by all accounts is a ripping kid and good on the Dockers for giving him a crack. Even if his recruitment stops East Perth squeaking into the top 5 this year and even if he only last this year at the Dockers (2 things that are not presently known), the likelihood is that he’ll come back to East Perth a better player than he is now and at a time when the Royals are better than they are now.
 

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No factor,i totally disagree with your sentiments,this has been an abuse of the whole process,the mid season draft was introduced to help AFL clubs  cope with  shortcomings on the list brought on by a spike in injuries,i.e,Teakle at P.Adelaide who obviously have a dearth of talls,which is why he is debuting tonight. It is not the time to pickup project players through the backdoor especially when you've got a thin injury list like the Dorkers.   You also go on to say if he gets promptly delisted he will automatically come back a better player,but i can tell this assumption has already proven to be false,as Tom Gorter was rookie listed during the alignment,and after he was delisted he came back an inferior player and is currently playing in the bush.

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I agree that the AFL’s mid season draft was introduced to limit the impact of long term injuries and premature retirements by allowing AFL clubs the opportunity to replenish their lists for the back half of the campaign (see www.afl.com.au/news/131710/mid-season-dr...r-questions-answered) but that’s not how the rules were written. And it is the letter of the law rather than it’s vibe that counts.
Is it a rort? Maybe. But if it helps a player fulfil their footy dreams, especially if they have shown ability at WAFL  League level, then I am happy to live with it, as, it seems are most WAFL coaches (at least publicly) and even though others would rather snuff out that chance in favour of potential WAFL Glory.  
As for the Gorter eg. I agree Gorter did not come back a better player but I still think Kuek will be better for spending time as a pro. 
Time will tell.
Even though I acknowledge the sponsorship and other off field implications for the WAFL clubs, I also don’t think it’s the worst thing to happen to a WAFL club either. Every year we are told Subi is the recruit’s club of choice because the recruit thinks playing there will help them get a shot in the AFL. I also think that there will be positives for the WAFL Clubs with large African communities in their zones if Kuek inspires a few kids of African decent to play our great game.
But for now I think it’s a great thing for Kuek and I hope more young men get to follow in his footsteps.

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I think that under  the WAFL Competition rules & regs only WCE’s mid season draftees are eligible to play for their original WAFL Club if they are not playing in an AFL game (but that seemed to require  the WAFL club to take them for the rest of the year / which seems unlikely). This does not seem to apply to the Dockers as they are in a partnership arrangement rather than stand alone.
However, the WAFL rules allow for any player drafted in the AFL mid season draft (even interstate) to play finals with their original WAFL club (subject to approval of WAFL & AFL clubs and the WAFC & AFL) (presumably that how Parker played for Souths last year).
I think that the arrangement with the AFL and WAFC (ie not within the WAFL Rules & Regs) is that a WAFL club can object to a player playing  for WCE or Dockers againt them, if  the player was drafted from their club in the mid season AFL Draft.
if that’s right East Perth are within their rights to object to Kuek playing this week.
East Perth , Peel and Dockers will presumably act in their own interests as they are clearly entitled to do. But, it would be reasonable and probably expected that East Perth would object. 

As for the Dockers recruiting Kuek-
first we can all gripe about the reasons for the mid-season AFL Draft and it’s impact on the WAFL Clubs but that argument is lost - the rules are the rules - and I would expect  every AFL club to act in their best interests in pursuit of AFL victories and I would be very surprised if the Dockers would make any recruiting decision just to piss off a WAFL club. 
Secondly, the Dockers have some history in taking their own NGA players and to be patient with their development (even if they are not ready to immediately play AFL) (Eric Benning is perhaps the most recent example). They have also taken long term views with other talls and skinny forwards in the 190+ height bracket (eg Meek and Sturt). The Dockers also have the luxury of taking time to develop a few players eg Treacy and Amiss (before he was injured) because they are doing well in the AFL. The WCE have not been as good, in my opinion, in their NGA selections (and Kuek was NGA available to WCE).
thirdly, Dockers seem to be drafting for pace and might be reaching the end of their patience with Sturt. Kuek fits the bill in both those areas.
fourthly,  the Royals fans posting on here seem to think Kuek is a gun WAFL player (without whom East Perth have a less potent forward line). So why wouldn’t the Dockers be interesting in recruiting such a player? Good on them for giving a go to a “mature age” player who has had to do some hard yards in the WAFL.
finally, it seems to me that the biggest impediment on Kuek playing AFL (and probably stopped him playing more senior WAFL football earlier) is that he is not a full time professional and his body is light. Neither of those things can be changed unless he is on an AFL list. Chicken and egg.
all credit to Kuek who by all accounts is a ripping kid and good on the Dockers for giving him a crack. Even if his recruitment stops East Perth squeaking into the top 5 this year and even if he only last this year at the Dockers (2 things that are not presently known), the likelihood is that he’ll come back to East Perth a better player than he is now and at a time when the Royals are better than they are now.

 

Well lets just see if he is a short term speculative pick,selected mainly for Peel as a replacement for Wade Derksen who was the Dockers initial No1 target,and remembering its in Freo's interests for Peel to go as deep into the WAFL finals as possible,or they actually do believe that Sebit is  a long term prospect  and reward him with a longer contract,which is an opportunity for Sebit i wouldn't begrudge,but either way all this stuff should be done in the pre season drafts.

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