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Theouterseagull wrote:

swan42 wrote:

mikeh wrote: Great summation SS. I think Subiaco were a little in cruise control mode for most of the day but switched on when they needed to. I agree with your comment about the season being very open and competitive and there are at least 4 teams who could challenge for the flag this year. I thought Subiacos inaccuracy could be put down in part to the pressure the Swans defence was putting on the ball carrier. Apart from the first 15 minutes of the 3rd quarter I thought Swans tackling pressure was very good.

Mikeh interesting comment vis a vis "season being very open" as I see it this season it will be Subiaco followed by a very, very long stretch of daylight to the rest. Subiaco will go through the complete season with very few, IF ANY, losses.

The sad thing is next year it will be Subiaco, "East Perth" and "Peel" making up three of the final 5 positions and this will continue year in year out.

I disagree 42, South are the benchmark at the moment, just look at their percentage. I'm not confident going up against them in round 7 especially with us cold coming off a bye. Expecting a very slow start with Souths blowing us away early.

TOSG like most of your posts you should have prefaced that one with . . . "Once upon a time "

swan42 wrote:

Theouterseagull wrote:

swan42 wrote:

mikeh wrote: Great summation SS. I think Subiaco were a little in cruise control mode for most of the day but switched on when they needed to. I agree with your comment about the season being very open and competitive and there are at least 4 teams who could challenge for the flag this year. I thought Subiacos inaccuracy could be put down in part to the pressure the Swans defence was putting on the ball carrier. Apart from the first 15 minutes of the 3rd quarter I thought Swans tackling pressure was very good.

Mikeh interesting comment vis a vis "season being very open" as I see it this season it will be Subiaco followed by a very, very long stretch of daylight to the rest. Subiaco will go through the complete season with very few, IF ANY, losses.

The sad thing is next year it will be Subiaco, "East Perth" and "Peel" making up three of the final 5 positions and this will continue year in year out.

I disagree 42, South are the benchmark at the moment, just look at their percentage. I'm not confident going up against them in round 7 especially with us cold coming off a bye. Expecting a very slow start with Souths blowing us away early.

TOSG like most of your posts you should have prefaced that one with . . . "Once upon a time "

That's an interesting and intelligent point you make but please stop trying to derail this thread.

swan42 wrote:

mikeh wrote: Great summation SS. I think Subiaco were a little in cruise control mode for most of the day but switched on when they needed to. I agree with your comment about the season being very open and competitive and there are at least 4 teams who could challenge for the flag this year. I thought Subiacos inaccuracy could be put down in part to the pressure the Swans defence was putting on the ball carrier. Apart from the first 15 minutes of the 3rd quarter I thought Swans tackling pressure was very good.

Mikeh interesting comment vis a vis "season being very open" as I see it this season it will be Subiaco followed by a very, very long stretch of daylight to the rest. Subiaco will go through the complete season with very few, IF ANY, losses.

The sad thing is next year it will be Subiaco, "East Perth" and "Peel" making up three of the final 5 positions and this will continue year in year out.

After watching the game on Sunday I honestly believe that Subiaco whilst still a very good team are beatable. Better teams than Swans will be able to keep the pressure on for longer than one half of football and in the first half they were very ordinary when they were given no space and time to execute their skills. If that pressure can be sustained by a team capable of putting some scoreboard pressure on them, anything could happen. I think South Fremantle, Claremont, the two alignment teams and East Fremantle are capable on their day of troubling them.

mikeh wrote:

swan42 wrote:

mikeh wrote: Great summation SS. I think Subiaco were a little in cruise control mode for most of the day but switched on when they needed to. I agree with your comment about the season being very open and competitive and there are at least 4 teams who could challenge for the flag this year. I thought Subiacos inaccuracy could be put down in part to the pressure the Swans defence was putting on the ball carrier. Apart from the first 15 minutes of the 3rd quarter I thought Swans tackling pressure was very good.

Mikeh interesting comment vis a vis "season being very open" as I see it this season it will be Subiaco followed by a very, very long stretch of daylight to the rest. Subiaco will go through the complete season with very few, IF ANY, losses.

The sad thing is next year it will be Subiaco, "East Perth" and "Peel" making up three of the final 5 positions and this will continue year in year out.

After watching the game on Sunday I honestly believe that Subiaco whilst still a very good team are beatable. Better teams than Swans will be able to keep the pressure on for longer than one half of football and in the first half they were very ordinary when they were given no space and time to execute their skills. If that pressure can be sustained by a team capable of putting some scoreboard pressure on them, anything could happen. I think South Fremantle, Claremont, the two alignment teams and East Fremantle are capable on their day of troubling them.

Fair comment Mikeh, we are currently just poodling along and I don't mean by that to denigrate Swans effort its just that your undermanned at the moment, if we have everyone up and about and switched on we are very hard beat, Souths are just that at the moment, will they be able to be consistent at that level, that's yet to be seen, but if they continue to play at their current high level and we turn up and produce what we've done in the last 2 weeks, we will be in for a real struggle. Schoey's got 2 weeks to get the boys switched back on and looking to play 4 good solid qtrs, if we do that we can beat anyone.

My personal opinion after watching the preseason and the start of the season proper is that we're no where near as strong as last year which is understandable given the quality of outs in Boland, Wortho, Rumba, Menegola, Deluca, Yarran and so on. Our mids and backs are thereabouts but our forward half is certainly not as potent. We've still got a few to come back in but I don't think we'll dominate like last year.

Agree BC, I see that Waters had a good game in his 2nd run in the 2's 24 disposals and a goal, he must come under consideration, Dylan Clarke would be better for the run in the 2's with 19 disposals and 2 goals and Moore was BOG with 27 disposals and 2 goals, so a few forwards & mids pushing up for an opportunity.

Still desperately need a proper ruckman so we can release either Dela and or Clang for more forward work. would like to know when Madut will be ready to go again, still in a knee brace at the Perth game. Bestry had 25 hitouts but only 5 touches in the 2's. Dela was our most effective player v Swans, around the ground he's been dominant but struggles when up against the big rucks like Johnson, the AFL guys, Keunan etc. I know I keep banging on about Shep moving out to CHF, I would then look at moving Halligan to FF with the rucks changing out of the pocket and pull the other pocket and flanks right up the ground so you leave Halligan and either Clang or Dela one on one and give Shep a paddock to work in, I think he's a bit constrained at FF.

agree with your comments around Dela in the ruck SS. A sure way to get banged up pretty quickly is having an undersized guy doing the ruck up against a much bigger opponent. Dela, Clanger and Shep as key forwards would be incredibly tough to match up on and we need a proper ruckman for that to happen. Dela is very effective around the ground so have no probs with him have a run on the ball each quarter and maybe contest the odd stoppage but the sooner we get him out of the ruck the better I like it.

Agreed not as strong as last year, replacing Menegola in itself is a big ask. I just think Dela has to do a lot of on ball work for us, he's so valuable around the ground, too much so to waste for long periods up forward. He was easily bog last Saturday in that role. I think he's one of those blokes who thrives on the extra workload of rucking & has more chance of getting injured in a set position not running around as much, especially with winter approaching. If we had a Rix or Newick on the sidelines I would be more inclined on agreeing though. Our mids are doing ok reading the other sides rucks so far but lets see how they go with teams like souths who have equally strong mids as we do. My key man is Stevo. Stevo up front, remembering he is 6'3, around 100kg & not a bad set shot, ff or chf...

DG wrote: Agreed not as strong as last year, replacing Menegola in itself is a big ask. I just think Dela has to do a lot of on ball work for us, he's so valuable around the ground, too much so to waste for long periods up forward. He was easily bog last Saturday in that role. I think he's one of those blokes who thrives on the extra workload of rucking & has more chance of getting injured in a set position not running around as much, especially with winter approaching. If we had a Rix or Newick on the sidelines I would be more inclined on agreeing though. Our mids are doing ok reading the other sides rucks so far but lets see how they go with teams like souths who have equally strong mids as we do. My key man is Stevo. Stevo up front, remembering he is 6'3, around 100kg & not a bad set shot, ff or chf...

Turn it up Dags

you think it's a done deal mate I hope you are right