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ArkRoyal wrote: Baz -- Your right I would not support Azard with any great relish, as over the last 70 years his party has created a myriad of problems for the West; including support for Hitler, sidding with Russia in the Cold War, forcing Nasar of Egypt into the 1967 War, authoritarian rule for seven decades which has seen gross human rights violations against his people, and finally the use of chemical weapons, but, as you pointed out above, in 2015, the most urgent problem is that of ISIS. We need to be realistic and recognise that he is an ally in the struggle against ISIS; and further, acknowledge that so long as the Russians, Chinese, Iranians, and shiies in Lebanon provide him with help, together with those at home whom support him, the Shiites and the religious minorities -- including the Christians -- we are not going to shift his regime.

One useful thing which may happen as a result of Merkelism is the exit of the UK from the EU, as, in the wake of the refugee crisis, the anti-Europe camp has hit the lead for the first time in the polls. Naturally, Merkel will not be taking this possibility seriously enough at this moment, but, should it eventuate, her little European Empire will start wobbling. Noises will get louder in places, such as, Denmark and Holland overnight.

Yep, look as you say Assad is a prick, as was his dad, but ask plenty in Syria and they will tell you different, he succefully protected minorities kept the country free of terrorism hadnt launched any atatcks on Israel for decades, Christians, Druze and even Jews could live in Damascus peacefully, Tourists could visit Damascus which is an amazing historic city etc.. I think its only way forward

Iraq has been a stuff up since Sadam left, Libya is a mess, Egypt is only reasonable now that the military are ruling.

Basically if you look at the long term history of the Arab world they only respond to rule with an Iron Fist, the Turks ruled them for 500 years with ruthless efficientcy, once the Ottoman empire was carved up any weak leadership was hopeless weather it be the installed Kings of Iraq Eygypt. Democracy is hopeless there, they are to chaotic and tribal.

Yep -- agree. Thank goodness for the army in Egypt. The Arabs often forget that they only got free of the Turks, because of Britain and France.

ArkRoyal wrote: Yep -- agree. Thank goodness for the army in Egypt. The Arabs often forget that they only got free of the Turks, because of Britain and France.

yep and us, we liberated Damascus, the 10th Light Horse were the first there a bloke from Narrogin lead them in - small world!

correct -- we should make much more of the campaigns in in the Middle East and in France from 1914 to 1918; after all, troops from the UK and Empire -- together with the French army -- won those campaigns pure and simple. The Dardanelles was a defeat, as you know. It is a good story about the bloke from Narrogin.

ArkRoyal wrote: Wilkie made an impassioned speech on the problem today, it is a pity that I could not agree with most of it. Like a lot of people whom are left of centre, he wants to blame the West for ISIS, which is simply a distortion of the truth. The reason that Syria is in turmoil is because of the dislike between the Shiites and the Sunnis, and because, of a determination on Putin's part to defend the last piece of the Russian Middle East.

The yanks fund ISIS and all their weapons, I wouldn't trust the Yanks as far as I could kick them they want conflict as it keeps their pathetic economy ticking over, they are weak as piss too in combat, T The Aussies shit all over them

ArkRoyal wrote: correct -- we should make much more of the campaigns in in the Middle East and in France from 1914 to 1918; after all, troops from the UK and Empire -- together with the French army -- won those campaigns pure and simple. The Dardanelles was a defeat, as you know. It is a good story about the bloke from Narrogin.

Spot on Ark

I see Germany has just woken up and realised they have farked up with the open borders free for all, have announced a closer of borders.

Swandog wrote:

ArkRoyal wrote: Wilkie made an impassioned speech on the problem today, it is a pity that I could not agree with most of it. Like a lot of people whom are left of centre, he wants to blame the West for ISIS, which is simply a distortion of the truth. The reason that Syria is in turmoil is because of the dislike between the Shiites and the Sunnis, and because, of a determination on Putin's part to defend the last piece of the Russian Middle East.

The yanks fund ISIS and all their weapons, I wouldn't trust the Yanks as far as I could kick them they want conflict as it keeps their pathetic economy ticking over, they are weak as piss too in combat, T The Aussies shit all over them

SWan, if you really believe the US and the West are the cause of the issues that confront the Middle East you are seriously deluded.

So you want the US to piss off. Well I suggest that you piss off and join Jeremy Corbyn in the UK, given that the $3 vote has now elected the most extreme Labor Party Leader of all time.

Perhaps this is your time. You can all sit around the campfire holding hands embracing every maniac leftist and Arab terrorist organisation and sing the socialist Red Flag anthem.

And you would seriously think we don't need the US!!

In the words of Gough "May God save the Queen because he won’t save the UK" if that bloke ever becomes PM.

Hawk Eye wrote:

Swandog wrote:

ArkRoyal wrote: Wilkie made an impassioned speech on the problem today, it is a pity that I could not agree with most of it. Like a lot of people whom are left of centre, he wants to blame the West for ISIS, which is simply a distortion of the truth. The reason that Syria is in turmoil is because of the dislike between the Shiites and the Sunnis, and because, of a determination on Putin's part to defend the last piece of the Russian Middle East.

The yanks fund ISIS and all their weapons, I wouldn't trust the Yanks as far as I could kick them they want conflict as it keeps their pathetic economy ticking over, they are weak as piss too in combat, T The Aussies shit all over them

SWan, if you really believe the US and the West are the cause of the issues that confront the Middle East you are seriously deluded.

So you want the US to piss off. Well I suggest that you piss off and join Jeremy Corbyn in the UK, given that the $3 vote has now elected the most extreme Labor Party Leader of all time.

Perhaps this is your time. You can all sit around the campfire holding hands embracing every maniac leftist and Arab terrorist organisation and sing the socialist Red Flag anthem.

And you would seriously think we don't need the US!!

In the words of Gough "May God save the Queen because he won’t save the UK" if that bloke ever becomes PM.

mate swan has had a few cones to many..

Baz Yep -- it is good to see that Berlin has reversed such a stupid policy -- it is pity it took so long