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Well we have unfolding before us the implosion of two of the 2006 Eagles Premiership players, great article by Wilson, just incredible how so many WCE are still in denial over this, more incredible that Nesbitt still has a job.

www.watoday.com.au/afl/afl-news/ben-cous...20150324-1m6stw.html

Also its now beeing revealed that Crystal Meth is being used by Coaches in Victorian Leagues as a P E D in footy, I've always beleived that to be the case.

Bazza wrote: Well we have unfolding before us the implosion of two of the 2006 Eagles Premiership players, great article by Wilson, just incredible how so many WCE are still in denial over this, more incredible that Nesbitt still has a job.

www.watoday.com.au/afl/afl-news/ben-cous...20150324-1m6stw.html

Also its now beeing revealed that Crystal Meth is being used by Coaches in Victorian Leagues as a P E D in footy, I've always beleived that to be the case.

sad thing is Baz, the realities are its likely moreso than not that every AFL club has this issue even today, but one-eyed naïve supporters still cant get their heads around it. No lessons have been learnt after known drug related issues and innuendo at the eagles, hawthorn, Collingwood, geelong, fremantle, Richmond, gold coast, Sydney etc. Everyone argues, debates and compares the levels of use (which nobody in the public knows) and categorises in segments of recreational, performance enhancing and player neglect. The fact is its all bad and its so rife in society and sporting clubs than anyone could imagine. Even my beloved kangas hero King Carey ended up being exposed pretty much after his career. Those who think it was a one-off are kidding themselves. It caught up with him.

I might just add drugs will never be completely eliminated from footy, just like it wont be eliminated from office workers, check out operators, painters or teachers. its a sad fact & its a society issue. Football is part of society. Simple as that

Well without getting into another bitch-bash, i find it astounding how a Pharmasist and club legend one J Worsfold, was "unaware" his main player was not "clean". Serioulsy the amount of info he would have had from any number of people, plus the time he spent with him at the club, there are some SERIOUS questions that never realy got asked. As the for hierachy, thats also another subject that got glossed over all to easily i reckon.

anchorman wrote:

jardine wrote: I might just add drugs will never be completely eliminated from footy, just like it wont be eliminated from office workers, check out operators, painters or teachers. its a sad fact & its a society issue. Football is part of society. Simple as that

Exactly true jardine.
And you previous post was correct also.
The club has a lot to answer for in regards to Cousins and the rest who were involved. I am wondering if that carpet still has that large lump in it.

I guess that was my point really. Its not just an eagles issue. no doubt they will have that "lump" lingering while outside influences from the past keep popping up. I think they have long moved on from it. Others probably haven't. What it does is give all other clubs a free pass or a distraction from reality. It is still happening and this blowtorch on one club is once again just creating the same problems down the track for our great code. Problems we should have or should be learning from. I don't think we are.

all these one-off drug incidents at other clubs are only one-offs because they got caught. You can bet its much more than that and it seems the clubs and media are quick to give these incidents relative lip service. They don't ignore it, but they don't go as hard as they could at it either because its an industry thing. If the whole curtain comes down, everybody will be out of a job so too speak. Its wrong, its obscene neglect and its gutless across the board. Its the easiest option to just blame the eagles even almost 8 years after the fact. This is a cop-out and this mindset will blow the shizenhousen out of the whole system if it continues. Attack every little incident because its likely to have a deep strong root system underneath. Or keep rehashing old past stuff that covers the cracks for the rest of the AFL. Mark my words we have seen nothing yet and a lot of people will have egg on their faces.

The AFL keep turning a blind eye to protect their so called "brand". That's why they have this outrageous three-strikes policy. They're in denial that it's a widespread problem and keep saying that they are isolated incidents when players get caught.

I must say I am passionate about the issue. I know many have seen the effects first hand on someone they know. Ive seen it quite bad 20 or so years ago in the states, but here in Australia right now its beyond bad, its probably worse.

jardine wrote:

anchorman wrote:

jardine wrote: I might just add drugs will never be completely eliminated from footy, just like it wont be eliminated from office workers, check out operators, painters or teachers. its a sad fact & its a society issue. Football is part of society. Simple as that

Exactly true jardine.
And you previous post was correct also.
The club has a lot to answer for in regards to Cousins and the rest who were involved. I am wondering if that carpet still has that large lump in it.

I guess that was my point really. Its not just an eagles issue. no doubt they will have that "lump" lingering while outside influences from the past keep popping up. I think they have long moved on from it. Others probably haven't. What it does is give all other clubs a free pass or a distraction from reality. It is still happening and this blowtorch on one club is once again just creating the same problems down the track for our great code. Problems we should have or should be learning from. I don't think we are.

all these one-off drug incidents at other clubs are only one-offs because they got caught. You can bet its much more than that and it seems the clubs and media are quick to give these incidents relative lip service. They don't ignore it, but they don't go as hard as they could at it either because its an industry thing. If the whole curtain comes down, everybody will be out of a job so too speak. Its wrong, its obscene neglect and its gutless across the board. Its the easiest option to just blame the eagles even almost 8 years after the fact. This is a cop-out and this mindset will blow the shizenhousen out of the whole system if it continues. Attack every little incident because its likely to have a deep strong root system underneath. Or keep rehashing old past stuff that covers the cracks for the rest of the AFL. Mark my words we have seen nothing yet and a lot of people will have egg on their faces.

Yes agree, look it is semantics to a degree, in that yes the Eagles were probably the worst of the lot. ( not helped by pussy footing around by people in power in WA footy).Anyway as i say, its just a huge problem "out there", and as you say i am sure every club has issues with illegal drugs, as basically most clubs run the same way, and basically have the same sort of personnel. Then there is the AFL, who go into spin and damage control rather than address the actual issue ( cue the debacle with Essendon). too much money involoved for there ever to be a serious investigation on the subject. Heck on a different bent ( but similar in a way) 4 corrners spent a few dollars and a few investigative reporters to find the "live baiting" in Greyhounds, which all of the Greyhounds so called investigators could not ( conveniently) find any wrong doing year after year after year. Funnily enough much like footy it is a multi million dollar business, where no-one wants to rock the boat

Test positive to meth on match day you have performance enhanced and will cop 2yrs. Test positive outside of match days whilst using to train you are offered 3 strikes despite the benefits you receive from this training. This is absurd!!!

Must say I am still flabbergasted by the media report of Ice being given to 14yr old players by coaches in Vic. What kind of adult would do such a thing. Really hope it is an isolated incident blown out of proportion by relevant media to create a shock factor. If not these coaches involved should be jailed for child abuse. How low can we as a nation go if we allow our children to be poisoned. Time for footy and the AFL in particular to take a stand on behalf of and for the sake of the community. Instead of million dollar bonuses in Fat Cat's pockets why don't we use that money and employ retiring players who are exiting the game on a decent wage to go out in to the football community and spend their time mentoring kids across the whole junior program (not just the elite) whilst educating them how hard work is the only way they can get ahead in footy and life and why drugs will destroy their chances of success. So much said of how difficult it is for players leaving the game with the emotional let down they can suffer, surely this kind of program can be a win/win situation during this period of needing to find a new path at the end of their footy careers. With the failing international & Aussie Govt and police stances on drug policy and dealing with the drug epidemic in this country it is time somebody took a stance on behalf of our kids. Why not the AFL?? They are the perfect organisation in this country to take such a stand. Generational education is the only hope....I see no other way forward against the tidal wave.

The first big problems at WCE were long before 2006 that was the culmination , in the late '90's actually

Think you'll find Judgey tried to address certain things & got shafted big time