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swan42 wrote:

Bazza wrote: Theve got bugger all money to pay for it, as for metronet pie in the sky.

I really dont see why they don't look at at a net work of electic trolley buses, we had them before , it beats all the disruption of building tracks.

So Bazza what does it say about Barnett that during a mining boom in WA he as Premier of this state managed to waste all our revenue and lose our state's AAA rating and broke a plethora of promises.

The only way this state will get a decent public transport system in Perth and help alleviate the traffic congestion is if this state elects a Labor government. Historically from the end of World War 2: what public transport infrastructure have the Liberals developed compared with the ALP?

You get the states biggest ever infrastructure project Fiona Stanley, plus a new Childrens Hospital, plus a new regional hospital at Albany, blus Midland Campus, a new Stadium, Riverside development, several new roads, Higest paid teachers, police and nurses in the country, it tends to add up, then a massive drop in GST , a mssaive drop in commodities and it makes things tough.

cant have everything, Im all fro public transport , but what is wrong with looking for realistic alternatives. Electric Trolley Buses could be more feasable,,,btw dickie court built the mandurah line.

BC wrote: yes but Abbott doesn't have a majority in the senate where Labor, PUP and the Greens blocl pretty much everything the government is trying to do. Christ, Labor won't even support $40b worth of savings it introduced itself....fmd.

BC when was the last time the ALP had a majority in the Senate? Also, and most relevantly, a number of broken promises that Abbott has broken has nothing to do with the Senate make-up. The Liberals voted against an ETS after the 2007; a policy the They went to the 2007 election. Pot and kettle methinks BC.

Let's go back to 1974, 1975: which party or parties were obstructing legislation in that period?

Bazza wrote:

swan42 wrote:

Bazza wrote: Theve got bugger all money to pay for it, as for metronet pie in the sky.

I really dont see why they don't look at at a net work of electic trolley buses, we had them before , it beats all the disruption of building tracks.

So Bazza what does it say about Barnett that during a mining boom in WA he as Premier of this state managed to waste all our revenue and lose our state's AAA rating and broke a plethora of promises.

The only way this state will get a decent public transport system in Perth and help alleviate the traffic congestion is if this state elects a Labor government. Historically from the end of World War 2: what public transport infrastructure have the Liberals developed compared with the ALP?

You get the states biggest ever infrastructure project Fiona Stanley, plus a new Childrens Hospital, plus a new regional hospital at Albany, blus Midland Campus, a new Stadium, Riverside development, several new roads, Higest paid teachers, police and nurses in the country, it tends to add up, then a massive drop in GST , a mssaive drop in commodities and it makes things tough.

cant have everything, Im all fro public transport , but what is wrong with looking for realistic alternatives. Electric Trolley Buses could be more feasable,,,btw dickie court built the mandurah line.

Tricky dicky DID NOT BUILD the Mandurah line. His contribution was to try to route it through Oats St; hence, the Thornlie spur line. What he wanted was a rail trip from Mandurah to Perth which would have taken longer than a car trip. A complete an utter joke. The point is Barnett has promised TWO rail lines to Ellenbrook, a rapid bus transit system to Ellenbrook and what have they got? Nothing. Now we have ANOTHER BROKEN TRANSPORT PROMISE with the axing of the light rail.

Barnett has overseen the loss of a triple AAA credit rating during a Resources boom. Betty's Jetty should not have been started.

Lady Alannah McT built the Mandurah Line yep

In her opening address on Monday, counsel assisting the coroner Kate Ellson said that in 2013, prescription medications contributed to 75 per cent of the 116 recorded fatal overdoses in WA, while illicit drugs contributed to 46.6 per cent.

Comment taken from West article today regarding prescription medication. My point....lawyers talk shit just as much as the pollies. By my reckoning that's 121.6% in total....where they find this extra 21.6% of fatal overdoses is equivalent to Barnetts record debt during the boom...just doesn't add up no matter what way you look at it.

Dirty Weekender wrote: In her opening address on Monday, counsel assisting the coroner Kate Ellson said that in 2013, prescription medications contributed to 75 per cent of the 116 recorded fatal overdoses in WA, while illicit drugs contributed to 46.6 per cent.

Comment taken from West article today regarding prescription medication. My point....lawyers talk shit just as much as the pollies. By my reckoning that's 121.6% in total....where they find this extra 21.6% of fatal overdoses is equivalent to Barnetts record debt during the boom...just doesn't add up no matter what way you look at it.

DW there is a flaw in your logic: you are assuming that the two events are mutually exclusive. However, they are not; it is possible that someone on prescription medicine may take illicit drugs in concert.

swan42 wrote:

Bazza wrote:

swan42 wrote:

Bazza wrote: Theve got bugger all money to pay for it, as for metronet pie in the sky.

I really dont see why they don't look at at a net work of electic trolley buses, we had them before , it beats all the disruption of building tracks.

So Bazza what does it say about Barnett that during a mining boom in WA he as Premier of this state managed to waste all our revenue and lose our state's AAA rating and broke a plethora of promises.

The only way this state will get a decent public transport system in Perth and help alleviate the traffic congestion is if this state elects a Labor government. Historically from the end of World War 2: what public transport infrastructure have the Liberals developed compared with the ALP?

You get the states biggest ever infrastructure project Fiona Stanley, plus a new Childrens Hospital, plus a new regional hospital at Albany, blus Midland Campus, a new Stadium, Riverside development, several new roads, Higest paid teachers, police and nurses in the country, it tends to add up, then a massive drop in GST , a mssaive drop in commodities and it makes things tough.

cant have everything, Im all fro public transport , but what is wrong with looking for realistic alternatives. Electric Trolley Buses could be more feasable,,,btw dickie court built the mandurah line.

Tricky dicky DID NOT BUILD the Mandurah line. His contribution was to try to route it through Oats St; hence, the Thornlie spur line. What he wanted was a rail trip from Mandurah to Perth which would have taken longer than a car trip. A complete an utter joke. The point is Barnett has promised TWO rail lines to Ellenbrook, a rapid bus transit system to Ellenbrook and what have they got? Nothing. Now we have ANOTHER BROKEN TRANSPORT PROMISE with the axing of the light rail.

Barnett has overseen the loss of a triple AAA credit rating during a Resources boom. Betty's Jetty should not have been started.

BS - Legislation to Build the Mandurah line was passed om 1999 UNDER A LIBERAL GOVERNMENT,it was there idea from the start, yes it was rerouted but it was NOT the ALP's genisis that gave birth to the line., despite all the urban myths that labor are the only ones that build public infrastructure.

Loss of the AAA ratings is hardly a big deal , given what has been undertaken , it's interesting rusted on labor voters are quick to knock infrastructure spending when they are not the ones doing it, yet and the same time claim the Libs never open the purse strings! Anyway I'll start worrying when we have to start paying a WA Inc. Levy, and the State is left destitute after years of scadalous corruption under Bourke and Co.

Anyway back to Transport, when I was a kid we still had a decent network of electric trolley busses, they seemed to work OK in the 60's, and I have seen them in Europe , the modern versions are even better, I think we should look at a network of them, its a pity we lost our tram network ( trendy word is now light rail) , but so did every other city bar Melbourne. However I was recently in Adelaide and used the new tram to Glenelg, its quite a good system, however nobody seems to pay.

Bazza wrote:

swan42 wrote:

Bazza wrote:

swan42 wrote:

Bazza wrote: Theve got bugger all money to pay for it, as for metronet pie in the sky.

I really dont see why they don't look at at a net work of electic trolley buses, we had them before , it beats all the disruption of building tracks.

So Bazza what does it say about Barnett that during a mining boom in WA he as Premier of this state managed to waste all our revenue and lose our state's AAA rating and broke a plethora of promises.

The only way this state will get a decent public transport system in Perth and help alleviate the traffic congestion is if this state elects a Labor government. Historically from the end of World War 2: what public transport infrastructure have the Liberals developed compared with the ALP?

You get the states biggest ever infrastructure project Fiona Stanley, plus a new Childrens Hospital, plus a new regional hospital at Albany, blus Midland Campus, a new Stadium, Riverside development, several new roads, Higest paid teachers, police and nurses in the country, it tends to add up, then a massive drop in GST , a mssaive drop in commodities and it makes things tough.

cant have everything, Im all fro public transport , but what is wrong with looking for realistic alternatives. Electric Trolley Buses could be more feasable,,,btw dickie court built the mandurah line.

Tricky dicky DID NOT BUILD the Mandurah line. His contribution was to try to route it through Oats St; hence, the Thornlie spur line. What he wanted was a rail trip from Mandurah to Perth which would have taken longer than a car trip. A complete an utter joke. The point is Barnett has promised TWO rail lines to Ellenbrook, a rapid bus transit system to Ellenbrook and what have they got? Nothing. Now we have ANOTHER BROKEN TRANSPORT PROMISE with the axing of the light rail.

Barnett has overseen the loss of a triple AAA credit rating during a Resources boom. Betty's Jetty should not have been started.

BS - Legislation to Build the Mandurah line was passed om 1999 UNDER A LIBERAL GOVERNMENT,it was there idea from the start, yes it was rerouted but it was NOT the ALP's genisis that gave birth to the line., despite all the urban myths that labor are the only ones that build public infrastructure.

Loss of the AAA ratings is hardly a big deal , given what has been undertaken , it's interesting rusted on labor voters are quick to knock infrastructure spending when they are not the ones doing it, yet and the same time claim the Libs never open the purse strings! Anyway I'll start worrying when we have to start paying a WA Inc. Levy, and the State is left destitute after years of scadalous corruption under Bourke and Co.

Anyway back to Transport, when I was a kid we still had a decent network of electric trolley busses, they seemed to work OK in the 60's, and I have seen them in Europe , the modern versions are even better, I think we should look at a network of them, its a pity we lost our tram network ( trendy word is now light rail) , but so did every other city bar Melbourne. However I was recently in Adelaide and used the new tram to Glenelg, its quite a good system, however nobody seems to pay.

The best one can say of the above is that it is fatuous. Bazza the concept of building railway lines is to reduce the number of cars on roads; something which can't be done if it was going to take you longer in the train than by car. This was going to be the case under tricky dicky's regime.

Secondly it is amazing that you dismiss the loss of the triple AAA credit rating. Fundamentally the loss of the triple AAA credit rating means it is MORE EXPENSIVE to borrow money under those circumstances.

Betty's jetty will go down the same path as tricky dicky's Bell Tower.

The facts are that Barnett loss our triple AAA credit rating and has reneged and broken many, many, many promises in the process.

Finally, when most of the experts think that it would be better in the long term to build another floor on the new children's hospital, Barnett does the opposite. The self same Barnett who wants to trash the reputation of PMH by dumping the name; instead we get betty's jetty.

swan42 wrote:

Dirty Weekender wrote: In her opening address on Monday, counsel assisting the coroner Kate Ellson said that in 2013, prescription medications contributed to 75 per cent of the 116 recorded fatal overdoses in WA, while illicit drugs contributed to 46.6 per cent.

Comment taken from West article today regarding prescription medication. My point....lawyers talk shit just as much as the pollies. By my reckoning that's 121.6% in total....where they find this extra 21.6% of fatal overdoses is equivalent to Barnetts record debt during the boom...just doesn't add up no matter what way you look at it.

DW there is a flaw in your logic: you are assuming that the two events are mutually exclusive. However, they are not; it is possible that someone on prescription medicine may take illicit drugs in concert.

Your logic is perfectly correct swan and i concede mine is flawed after reconsider of the word contributed in the statement. Much like alcohol contributed to Troy Buswell's demolition derby effort rather than being the cause of his erratic driving which could be described as a lack of hand eye coordination. There is a little grey area to consider thou when considering the use of prescription medication gained on the black market without prescription could rightly be recognised as an illicit substance. Amphetamine charges by police for people without prescriptions who get caught with ADHD medication being an example here. Point taken thou I do believe lawyers and pollies like Barnett are cut from the same cloth in that they are both experts in constantly speaking shit whilst creating debt for those that they represent.