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I spoke to Hassa Mann about this very issue , I asked him what the standard in WA was like compared to Vic when he came over in 69, he was candid and you could not get a more honest bloke than him and he was up front, he said it was a long way behind VFL club football by that time and the standard a lot lower.
From the evidence we have in the 50s we might of been closer as our premier sides were beating their premier sides, but by the 60s and 70s it had fallen behind.
We will never know how Walker would of gone , he wasnt tested at that level.

Bazza wrote: I spoke to Hassa Mann about this very issue , I asked him what the standard in WA was like compared to Vic when he came over in 69, he was candid and you could not get a more honest bloke than him and he was up front, he said it was a long way behind VFL club football by that time and the standard a lot lower.
From the evidence we have in the 50s we might of been closer as our premier sides were beating their premier sides, but by the 60s and 70s it had fallen behind.
We will never know how Walker would of gone , he wasnt tested at that level.

For the record Collingwood was beaten by Swan Districts in Melbourne in 1982. For the record he also played in 21 state games.

Walker proved he was the equal of Cable. It is delusional to think that he could not have been an elite player in the VFL.

The fact that there is one and only one legend who has not been associated with the VFL/AFL clearly and unequivocally shows that it is just a VFL-centric nonsense. Who on here doesn't think that John Todd is not a legend of Aussie Rules?

what is the point of this thread? A few points:

the Coleman should stay as the Coleman

Robertson did play in the VFL in a crap side, SM, kicking many goals

statistically, the best player ever seen is Bunton whom played at Subi because they paid him -- the previous year he had played for Victoria against Western Australia, hardly past his best. In that side with Bunton was Keith Shea, Les Hardiman, whom also joined Subiaco in the same year. Subiaco, even with these star Victorians in the side finished no higher than sixth.

Kevin Murray is on record as saying that John Todd was the best player he had seen --

the bottom of the VFL was always rubbish -- any good WA side would have beaten their bottom sides
just have a look at a game in 1986 -- Subiaco 25.25 to St Kilda 17 goals something; further evidence can be seen from the fact that, someone, such as John Tossel got a league game at Melbourne in 1982, but could not get a game at Subiaco in 1983. In fact, I was never conned into believing that every thing I watched on the 'winners' each week was good football. Generally, they did not show the weak sides, and it was a bloody highlights show --- something people have forgotten.
In general, the top of the VFL was better for a few reasons:

they have produced some good footballer
there was large scale recruitting from other states
the smaller grounds promoted a tougher brand of football
victorian play was more tactical, especially defensive, comparred to here -- Ross Smith.

swan42 wrote:

Bazza wrote: I spoke to Hassa Mann about this very issue , I asked him what the standard in WA was like compared to Vic when he came over in 69, he was candid and you could not get a more honest bloke than him and he was up front, he said it was a long way behind VFL club football by that time and the standard a lot lower.
From the evidence we have in the 50s we might of been closer as our premier sides were beating their premier sides, but by the 60s and 70s it had fallen behind.
We will never know how Walker would of gone , he wasnt tested at that level.

For the record Collingwood was beaten by Swan Districts in Melbourne in 1982. For the record he also played in 21 state games.

Walker proved he was the equal of Cable. It is delusional to think that he could not have been an elite player in the VFL.

The fact that there is one and only one legend who has not been associated with the VFL/AFL clearly and unequivocally shows that it is just a VFL-centric nonsense. Who on here doesn't think that John Todd is not a legend of Aussie Rules?

No its proves unequivocally that was a better comp for a longer period. Collingwood werent premiers in 82,,,who cares..what was that an Escort Cup?

You just have Swan Districts on the brain like the labor party,,,try getting out of the house some time and talking to people with wider experiences.

Toddy was a Wafl legend as was Clive Lewington as was Sir Ross Hutchinson, neither of them are AFL legends either...how many times did WA beat Victoria on the MCG in pre State of O days?

Bazza wrote:

swan42 wrote:

Bazza wrote: I spoke to Hassa Mann about this very issue , I asked him what the standard in WA was like compared to Vic when he came over in 69, he was candid and you could not get a more honest bloke than him and he was up front, he said it was a long way behind VFL club football by that time and the standard a lot lower.
From the evidence we have in the 50s we might of been closer as our premier sides were beating their premier sides, but by the 60s and 70s it had fallen behind.
We will never know how Walker would of gone , he wasnt tested at that level.

For the record Collingwood was beaten by Swan Districts in Melbourne in 1982. For the record he also played in 21 state games.

Walker proved he was the equal of Cable. It is delusional to think that he could not have been an elite player in the VFL.

The fact that there is one and only one legend who has not been associated with the VFL/AFL clearly and unequivocally shows that it is just a VFL-centric nonsense. Who on here doesn't think that John Todd is not a legend of Aussie Rules?

No its proves unequivocally that was a better comp for a longer period. Collingwood werent premiers in 82,,,who cares..what was that an Escort Cup?

You just have Swan Districts on the brain like the labor party,,,try getting out of the house some time and talking to people with wider experiences.

Bazza what a complete load of dribble that you have just spewed forth. You are the one fixated on the Labor Party and Collingwood really wanted to wear their normal jumper in that match.

Perhaps you should take aman's advice and stick to comment on your tam the Sydney Swans.

Bazza wrote:

swan42 wrote:

Bazza wrote: I spoke to Hassa Mann about this very issue , I asked him what the standard in WA was like compared to Vic when he came over in 69, he was candid and you could not get a more honest bloke than him and he was up front, he said it was a long way behind VFL club football by that time and the standard a lot lower.
From the evidence we have in the 50s we might of been closer as our premier sides were beating their premier sides, but by the 60s and 70s it had fallen behind.
We will never know how Walker would of gone , he wasnt tested at that level.

For the record Collingwood was beaten by Swan Districts in Melbourne in 1982. For the record he also played in 21 state games.

Walker proved he was the equal of Cable. It is delusional to think that he could not have been an elite player in the VFL.

The fact that there is one and only one legend who has not been associated with the VFL/AFL clearly and unequivocally shows that it is just a VFL-centric nonsense. Who on here doesn't think that John Todd is not a legend of Aussie Rules?

No its proves unequivocally that was a better comp for a longer period. Collingwood werent premiers in 82,,,who cares..what was that an Escort Cup?

You just have Swan Districts on the brain like the labor party,,,try getting out of the house some time and talking to people with wider experiences.

Toddy was a Wafl legend as was Clive Lewington as was Sir Ross Hutchinson, neither of them are AFL legends either...how many times did WA beat Victoria on the MCG in pre State of O days?

Twaddle. Pure, unadulterated twaddle. It is either the Aussie Rules Hall of Fame and legends or the VFL. If itis the former then Walker, Todd et al should be legends or if it JUST the VFL then it should only be for VFL players.

Get out the house more swan, theres life outside of Midland....

How was Peaks stardom in Vic
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and I say again how many times did WA beat Vic in Vic? Bugger all.

I think you all have lost the point of this thread. VFL = VICTORIAN Football League, AFL = AUSTRALIAN Football League. AFL is nearly 30 yrs old now, surely we can find someone to name their awards after rather than some old Victorians that are a legend in the Vics minds? For a start, get rid of the Norm Smith medal and rename it the John Worsfold medal, maybe even the Michael Tuck medal - someone that has played at the highest level.

Grassy wrote: That will NEVER happen.

Next topic?!

Shouldn't this be on the Perth thread?

Grassy wrote: Dearie me Swan.

Yawn,yawn!

You STILL haven't named those Crabs yet.

Grassy if you think that EVERY person who has been named as a Legend is more deserving of that status than true legends such as Todd, Walker et al I must congratulate you on going over to the DARK SIDE.

If it is truly representative of Aussie Rules footy then they should have been named in the initial intake.