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MarkOlsen wrote: Why is Turner still in reserves ? Is quick and a good long kick
Wilson needs to be played
Sutton worth a shot
Rudy can't be worse than what Rogers delivered on Saturday, he had a nightmare
Smith still skinny but lovely mark and kick
Hughes as a small defender
Team needs a shake up
If Burnham plays another league game with Coniglio then the coach should be marched

Good to see that Burnham and Coniglio are the scapegoats for our performances. How hard do you think Rudy worked in the ressies on Saturday? With respect to both Rogers and Elari I think both are very low on confidence. Given their performances against Perth I believe both should be given the opportunity to play against Perth.

We can go through many examples of appalling turnovers and butchered passes. Over the past few matches there have been many, many appalling examples of poor skills and decisions.

It wasn't Burnham nor Coniglio that dummied on their left foot and turned back onto their right only to discover that they are indeed a left footer. Similar situation except swap the left and right by another relatively experienced player. Or perhaps last week where one of our most experienced players decided to kick across goals deep in the defensive 50 metre arc in the last minute of the quarter.

Another example for the game on Saturday where we refused to go forward from our defensive 50 m arc. Instead we just kept kicking the ball back and forth in our defensive 50 m arc.

Burnham was the bloke who got it at defensive 50 and was in the clear, stopped and then handballed without looking back to a west Perth player who kicked a goal, worst bit of footy I have seen in a long time, is slow, no composure and for an outside player misses targets.
Not fussed if people don't agree.
Coniglio can't kick more than 10 metres and is an outside player, don't see his value.
Prefer Turner to be honest but Harding knows best so I go along and just get frustrated

My concern with Coniglio is that some of the senior blokes don't seem to trust him enough to give him the ball even when he is one on none. Happened numerous times on the weekend. Rogers as many have stated here was deplorable on the weekend and should be dropped on form. Looks like he has lost a yard and was already on the slow side. The worst game I have seen him play in black and white. Not sure why Elari is playing forward when he is so capable of finding the ball in the guts. Looks uncomfortable in a forward role. I'll sit on the fence with Burnham for now but his ball use is suspect at best and lacks speed so not sure if there is room for him in the side when the sting is not taken outta the ground. I've got Coniglio ahead of him simply because of his youth and I don't see much upside in Burnham from where his level is at now. Match ups probably should dictate who gets selected at this stage with these 2 but they are both too slow to be in the same team especially with Alby in the guts as well. We need some speed from somewhere which is why I agree with MO that Turner needs persisting with and he also can kick it further than 25metres. At least his turnovers are generally attacking ones and not coughing the ball up from brain fades or deplorable skill errors. Not sure what Rudy has done to upset Harding but clearly we could use his extra size and leg speed if he is fit.

Dirty Weekender wrote: My concern with Coniglio is that some of the senior blokes don't seem to trust him enough to give him the ball even when he is one on none. Happened numerous times on the weekend. Rogers as many have stated here was deplorable on the weekend and should be dropped on form. Looks like he has lost a yard and was already on the slow side. The worst game I have seen him play in black and white. Not sure why Elari is playing forward when he is so capable of finding the ball in the guts. Looks uncomfortable in a forward role. I'll sit on the fence with Burnham for now but his ball use is suspect at best and lacks speed so not sure if there is room for him in the side when the sting is not taken outta the ground. I've got Coniglio ahead of him simply because of his youth and I don't see much upside in Burnham from where his level is at now. Match ups probably should dictate who gets selected at this stage with these 2 but they are both too slow to be in the same team especially with Alby in the guts as well. We need some speed from somewhere which is why I agree with MO that Turner needs persisting with and he also can kick it further than 25metres. At least his turnovers are generally attacking ones and not coughing the ball up from brain fades or deplorable skill errors. Not sure what Rudy has done to upset Harding but clearly we could use his extra size and leg speed if he is fit.

Totally agree DW. Rudy is the one player in the club who has that 'Wow' factor that people have been talking about. He needs to be playing league if he is fit

mikeh wrote:

Dirty Weekender wrote: My concern with Coniglio is that some of the senior blokes don't seem to trust him enough to give him the ball even when he is one on none. Happened numerous times on the weekend. Rogers as many have stated here was deplorable on the weekend and should be dropped on form. Looks like he has lost a yard and was already on the slow side. The worst game I have seen him play in black and white. Not sure why Elari is playing forward when he is so capable of finding the ball in the guts. Looks uncomfortable in a forward role. I'll sit on the fence with Burnham for now but his ball use is suspect at best and lacks speed so not sure if there is room for him in the side when the sting is not taken outta the ground. I've got Coniglio ahead of him simply because of his youth and I don't see much upside in Burnham from where his level is at now. Match ups probably should dictate who gets selected at this stage with these 2 but they are both too slow to be in the same team especially with Alby in the guts as well. We need some speed from somewhere which is why I agree with MO that Turner needs persisting with and he also can kick it further than 25metres. At least his turnovers are generally attacking ones and not coughing the ball up from brain fades or deplorable skill errors. Not sure what Rudy has done to upset Harding but clearly we could use his extra size and leg speed if he is fit.

Totally agree DW. Rudy is the one player in the club who has that 'Wow' factor that people have been talking about. He needs to be playing league if he is fit

Mikeh and DW I have a great deal of time for Rudy's potential. However, that is just what it is at the moment. In my opinion his efforts would be around 70% at best in the reserves games I have seen him play.

DW can you please give a critique of how Adam Fulkners' decision making and disposal has immproved over the years? I am not trying to single out Faulkner as no-one can doubt his commitment to get the ball; I am merely trying to illustrate that there are many others to find fault with and that I don't think that Burnham and Coniglio should be the scapegoats for our present predicament.

MarkOlsen wrote: Why is Turner still in reserves ? Is quick and a good long kick
Wilson needs to be played
Sutton worth a shot
Rudy can't be worse than what Rogers delivered on Saturday, he had a nightmare
Smith still skinny but lovely mark and kick
Hughes as a small defender
Team needs a shake up
If Burnham plays another league game with Coniglio then the coach should be marched

MO apart from Rogers, Coniglio and Burnham who else are you going to drop since you have named 6 ins?

3 changes
Ugle looks to be injured, Coniglio and Burnham out.
Turner, Wilson and Rudy or Sutton in.
Smith needs a few more weeks in reserves but is looking good, Hughes as a back-up defender if need a little bloke.
put Elari in the guts, Harding has no idea if he thinks he is a forward. Rogers up the ground a bit more so he can run around and use his kicking.
we need some blokes on the wings who can run and kick the ball more than 10 metres, thats why i prefer Turner and Wilson in the team to the other blokes.
wingers are supposed to be blokes who can help move the footy into the forward line, not runnning around in the back pocket getting cheap kicks.

swan42 wrote:

mikeh wrote:

Dirty Weekender wrote: My concern with Coniglio is that some of the senior blokes don't seem to trust him enough to give him the ball even when he is one on none. Happened numerous times on the weekend. Rogers as many have stated here was deplorable on the weekend and should be dropped on form. Looks like he has lost a yard and was already on the slow side. The worst game I have seen him play in black and white. Not sure why Elari is playing forward when he is so capable of finding the ball in the guts. Looks uncomfortable in a forward role. I'll sit on the fence with Burnham for now but his ball use is suspect at best and lacks speed so not sure if there is room for him in the side when the sting is not taken outta the ground. I've got Coniglio ahead of him simply because of his youth and I don't see much upside in Burnham from where his level is at now. Match ups probably should dictate who gets selected at this stage with these 2 but they are both too slow to be in the same team especially with Alby in the guts as well. We need some speed from somewhere which is why I agree with MO that Turner needs persisting with and he also can kick it further than 25metres. At least his turnovers are generally attacking ones and not coughing the ball up from brain fades or deplorable skill errors. Not sure what Rudy has done to upset Harding but clearly we could use his extra size and leg speed if he is fit.

Totally agree DW. Rudy is the one player in the club who has that 'Wow' factor that people have been talking about. He needs to be playing league if he is fit

Mikeh and DW I have a great deal of time for Rudy's potential. However, that is just what it is at the moment. In my opinion his efforts would be around 70% at best in the reserves games I have seen him play.

DW can you please give a critique of how Adam Fulkners' decision making and disposal has immproved over the years? I am not trying to single out Faulkner as no-one can doubt his commitment to get the ball; I am merely trying to illustrate that there are many others to find fault with and that I don't think that Burnham and Coniglio should be the scapegoats for our present predicament.

My opinion on Rudy is that if he is fit then the coaching staff need to play him. His upside is potentially huge and if his body can hold up to it playing him will allow his confidence in his ability to grow which is his biggest weakness atm, self belief. Others who are borderline like Rudy need to dramatically improve their skills before deserving their place whereas I believe given a consistent run at league level Rudy's work ethic will improve dramatically with growth in confidence he will gain from this, his skill level and natural flare are ahead of others atm and are what the team needs desperately right now, some attacking ability that can put the opposition on the back foot. Rudy doesn't play the sideways game. I'd rather go down swinging than kicking backwards all day.

As for Faulks I've been a fan from the start but you are right, he is hard at it and gets it frequently but has not improved much in his decision making but most notably his disposal. It's been 3 seasons now and clearly he needs to work harder on his kicking efficiency. I still have him way ahead of the other 2 simply because his ball getting ability is inside rather than outside. He has a great understanding and partnership at ball ups with Doc which we will not get to see this year. Let's hope he can work it out with Yuke. I was hoping having Malaxos around might help Faulks. Malaxos was a champ at effectively laying the ball off to a team mate in a better position which is what Faulks needs to learn to do, play within the scope of his ability.

Havent understood the Rudy non selection all year DW ..there are more than a few WAFL defenders very thankful of our match committee atm!

Agree on the Rudy non selection DW and BH. He will certainly make things happen and create opportunities for others in your forward half.