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Yeah well after it's all said & done - it might just be that Cockburn wanted either East Fremantle or South Fremantle to host " their players" , there was no intention to stay located in the city they burgled their name from but , make no mistake , adding one of the foundation clubs into the portfolio and relocating them to Cockburn was the aim.
The WAFC meanwhile , had this bastard child they were dirtied with and fiduciaried to and desired to somehow make it go away without anyone pointing their fingers at them - also didn't want 11 teams in the WAFL in the worst-case scenario either
Enter the southern alignment
The East Perth one was Bronte AHG Howson at his boardroom zenith - the members were given no recourse and it's hard to believe "paperwork was lodged too late" bullshit when there's high profile lawyers on the board etc in regard to ending the alignment
Bronte had to find a way to fund EP because the AHG money he'd been funnelling in was stopping due to his retirement

Tiger Tales wrote: Swan42 the WAFC does not have the ability to force a WAFL club to align with a WA AFL team. The Boards of both EP and PT had to agree and sign a contract to align with with WC and Freo. These contracts also have end dates with the WAFL clubs and AFL clubs both able to withdraw from the agreement or take the option to continue the agreement. EP failed to withdraw from the agreement before the required date this year which will see the alignment continue on.

Once again if none of the WAFL clubs agreed to align with the 2 AFL clubs and stand alone AFL Reserves teams were also rejected then what would have happened?

If EP or PT (unlikely) exercise their right to withdraw from the alignment, none of the other WAFL clubs agree to become aligned and they continue to reject the stand alone model will they not have to revert back to the players being spread across the comp?

Perhaps you might to actually read my posts. I promise that it might actually help you understand. It was not East Perth nor Peel that made the decision to have a host club alignment it was the WAFC. If the WAFL clubs had the ability to veto the host club alignment by voting against it the vote would have been 2 for and 7 against the host club alignment.

I never said that the WAFC could force a WAFL club to enter into a host club alignment. What I said was it was the WAFC that made the decision to have a host club alignment.

And if you want a hypothetical: if East Perth pull out of the host club alignment, it does not follow that the Eagles will have a stand-alone team. Similarly, it would apply if Peel walked away from the host club alignment. The WAFL clubs have the right to vote against any new team coming into the WAFL.

Listen to your own advice Swan42.

The WAFC put forward WC and Freo having stand alone Reserves teams in the WAFL which was rejected by the WAFL clubs.
The WAFC then put forward the host club model for consideration by the WAFL clubs. A model which has been tried previously and after several years disbanded.
The WAFC can not force a WAFL to align with the AFL clubs.
Both EP and PTs Boards agreed that they would align with the WA AFL teams as they believed it was in their clubs best interests to do so. Peel most likely for infield improvement and EP for the financial backing.

My point that you keep failing to see Swan42, most likely because it doesn't suit your argument, is that if PT or EP didn't agree to align themselves and none of the other 7 WAFL clubs agreed to be directly aligned the the AFL clubs then what would have been the outcome?

The same if either or both PT and EP withdraw from the host club agreement. If no other WAFL club jumps into bed with the AFL clubs then where will the AFL players play when not selected at AFL level?

They will be dispersed back to their club of origin or eastern states recruits will be divided out as per previous years.

Tiger Tales wrote: Listen to your own advice Swan42.

The WAFC put forward WC and Freo having stand alone Reserves teams in the WAFL which was rejected by the WAFL clubs.
The WAFC then put forward the host club model for consideration by the WAFL clubs. A model which has been tried previously and after several years disbanded.
The WAFC can not force a WAFL to align with the AFL clubs.
Both EP and PTs Boards agreed that they would align with the WA AFL teams as they believed it was in their clubs best interests to do so. Peel most likely for infield improvement and EP for the financial backing.

My point that you keep failing to see Swan42, most likely because it doesn't suit your argument, is that if PT or EP didn't agree to align themselves and none of the other 7 WAFL clubs agreed to be directly aligned the the AFL clubs then what would have been the outcome?

The same if either or both PT and EP withdraw from the host club agreement. If no other WAFL club jumps into bed with the AFL clubs then where will the AFL players play when not selected at AFL level?

They will be dispersed back to their club of origin or eastern states recruits will be divided out as per previous years.

Patience S42.

I will try to explain it a different way. The WAFL clubs did not vote on the host club alignment. The WAFC made the decision. The WAFL clubs have the power to veto any new teams in the WAFL.

To speak to your point if either WAFL club remove themselves from the host club alignment the WAFC would be required to make a decision what would happen to the AFL listed players.

Also, to speak to your hypothetical re Peel's and East Perth's decision it would have been in the purview of the WAFC.

swan42 wrote:

Tiger Tales wrote: Listen to your own advice Swan42.

The WAFC put forward WC and Freo having stand alone Reserves teams in the WAFL which was rejected by the WAFL clubs.
The WAFC then put forward the host club model for consideration by the WAFL clubs. A model which has been tried previously and after several years disbanded.
The WAFC can not force a WAFL to align with the AFL clubs.
Both EP and PTs Boards agreed that they would align with the WA AFL teams as they believed it was in their clubs best interests to do so. Peel most likely for infield improvement and EP for the financial backing.

My point that you keep failing to see Swan42, most likely because it doesn't suit your argument, is that if PT or EP didn't agree to align themselves and none of the other 7 WAFL clubs agreed to be directly aligned the the AFL clubs then what would have been the outcome?

The same if either or both PT and EP withdraw from the host club agreement. If no other WAFL club jumps into bed with the AFL clubs then where will the AFL players play when not selected at AFL level?

They will be dispersed back to their club of origin or eastern states recruits will be divided out as per previous years.

Patience S42.

I will try to explain it a different way. The WAFL clubs did not vote on the host club alignment. The WAFC made the decision. The WAFL clubs have the power to veto any new teams in the WAFL.

To speak to your point if either WAFL club remove themselves from the host club alignment the WAFC would be required to make a decision what would happen to the AFL listed players.

Also, to speak to your hypothetical re Peel's and East Perth's decision it would have been in the purview of the WAFC.

Explain it as many ways as you want Swan42.

You still haven't addressed the issue I raised that if both PT and EP hadn't agreed to align themselves with the AFL teams and none of the other her 7 teams were coerced into jumping into bed with the AFL teams, what structure would have been used to have AFL listed players to play in the WAFL?

There is only 3 outcomes:
- AFL Reserves Stand alone sides (in WAFL or an AFL reserves comp)
- Host Club Model
- AFL players play at club of origin with interstate players spread across the 9 WAFL teams.
You've stated that the WAFL clubs can veto new clubs entering the WAFL and that the WAFC can't force WAFL clubs to align with the AFL clubs.

Tiger Tales wrote:

swan42 wrote:

Tiger Tales wrote: Listen to your own advice Swan42.

The WAFC put forward WC and Freo having stand alone Reserves teams in the WAFL which was rejected by the WAFL clubs.
The WAFC then put forward the host club model for consideration by the WAFL clubs. A model which has been tried previously and after several years disbanded.
The WAFC can not force a WAFL to align with the AFL clubs.
Both EP and PTs Boards agreed that they would align with the WA AFL teams as they believed it was in their clubs best interests to do so. Peel most likely for infield improvement and EP for the financial backing.

My point that you keep failing to see Swan42, most likely because it doesn't suit your argument, is that if PT or EP didn't agree to align themselves and none of the other 7 WAFL clubs agreed to be directly aligned the the AFL clubs then what would have been the outcome?

The same if either or both PT and EP withdraw from the host club agreement. If no other WAFL club jumps into bed with the AFL clubs then where will the AFL players play when not selected at AFL level?

They will be dispersed back to their club of origin or eastern states recruits will be divided out as per previous years.

Patience S42.

I will try to explain it a different way. The WAFL clubs did not vote on the host club alignment. The WAFC made the decision. The WAFL clubs have the power to veto any new teams in the WAFL.

To speak to your point if either WAFL club remove themselves from the host club alignment the WAFC would be required to make a decision what would happen to the AFL listed players.

Also, to speak to your hypothetical re Peel's and East Perth's decision it would have been in the purview of the WAFC.

Explain it as many ways as you want Swan42.

You still haven't addressed the issue I raised that if both PT and EP hadn't agreed to align themselves with the AFL teams and none of the other her 7 teams were coerced into jumping into bed with the AFL teams, what structure would have been used to have AFL listed players to play in the WAFL?

There is only 3 outcomes:
- AFL Reserves Stand alone sides (in WAFL or an AFL reserves comp)
- Host Club Model
- AFL players play at club of origin with interstate players spread across the 9 WAFL teams.
You've stated that the WAFL clubs can veto new clubs entering the WAFL and that the WAFC can't force WAFL clubs to align with the AFL clubs.

My God TT you do try one's patience. I have said that if the above hypothetical occurred it would be up to the WAFC to decide the distribution of those players. What I have also said it is up to the WAFL clubs and not the WAFC for any additional teams to be added to the WAFL.

Also, for the record if Swans had jumped in bed with either WA domiciled AFL team I would have stopped supporting or attending Swans' games and (perhaps to the delight of some on here) I wouldn't now be posting on this forum.

Given the expectation that EP will end the alignment (thank the footy gods) now that their coffers are overflowing, as much as some on here have a blinkered romantic view of how the WAFL should be ie with no AFL involvement, that is just not going to happen, there is no billionaire white knight waiting in the wings to fund a pure WAFL comp so accept the inevitable, there is only one pragmatic and achievable outcome and that is for the WCE to have a stand alone team and for Peel to continue as the Freo reserves. The SANFL have had this sort of arrangement for a few years now and it's working well. Someone posted their agreed rules for the entry of the Crows and Port Maggies into the SANFL comp and they have ticked all the boxes. All the WAFC need to do is adopt the same type rules and get on with the comp, the SANFL have covered all the bases and made their comp solid and sustainable. they have an 18 round comp and the Crows only play away games which means the traditional SANFL teams retain their 10 home games which protects their gate and bar takings and their sponsors, it aint rocket science!!

Grassy wrote: Don't always agree with you Swan,particularly on one issue,but your Passion for the WAFL and SWAN DISTRICTS is Never in Doubt and your presence would be Sorely Missed here,if you left.

If Perth take up the Host Club mate,is the door open for me at Bassendean?

You would be most welcome as would any other disaffected Demon.

SS I am not sure if you have been keeping a close eye on the SANFL at all but I can assure you it is not as rosy as you continue to post.
There has been plenty of backlash against the 2 AFL Reserves teams from the SANFL public so much in fact that Adelaide have been investigating joining the VFL would you believe?
Also despite their clubs having the luxury of pokies etc that we dont here in the WAFL 3 clubs Glenelg, West Adelaide & South Adelaide are in debt and were investigating a 3 way super club merge only a couple of months ago!

Senior Seagull wrote: Given the expectation that EP will end the alignment (thank the footy gods) now that their coffers are overflowing, as much as some on here have a blinkered romantic view of how the WAFL should be ie with no AFL involvement, that is just not going to happen, there is no billionaire white knight waiting in the wings to fund a pure WAFL comp so accept the inevitable, there is only one pragmatic and achievable outcome and that is for the WCE to have a stand alone team and for Peel to continue as the Freo reserves. The SANFL have had this sort of arrangement for a few years now and it's working well. Someone posted their agreed rules for the entry of the Crows and Port Maggies into the SANFL comp and they have ticked all the boxes. All the WAFC need to do is adopt the same type rules and get on with the comp, the SANFL have covered all the bases and made their comp solid and sustainable. they have an 18 round comp and the Crows only play away games which means the traditional SANFL teams retain their 10 home games which protects their gate and bar takings and their sponsors, it aint rocket science!!

SS I presume you don't go to watch the colts and reserves. Just have a look at what is now happening to the VFL reserves competition. Also, are you advocating a 10% decrease in each players' pay with an 18 game season? Of course the Multiplication Property of Zero may come into it for one WAFL club.