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I think you will find local player are worth only one point, players recruited from other waffle club are worth a couple of points. It's your country, walf and afl players who are worth the big points. It's a way to force players who have gawn on with there footy back to the clubs were it started. A junior from your club who makes afl and then returns to your amateur club is worth only a few points compared to going to a different club were they would be worth 20 or 30 points.
Be interesting to see how the association allocates points as majority of the amateur clubs are run seperate to the junior club who uses the same facility. Could push or force amalgamation with these clubs who haven't already done it.

Paying players will never be stopped and the point system is ok I think.
I would much rather the league stop even worrying about and spending valuable time and effort on something they cannot ever control.
They should spend time on what they can control like dropping the colts age back to under 19's. It is a bloody joke it is under 21's at the moment, grown men playing kids footy is simply ridiculous and no arguement can be put forward to change that view.
Get it back to the same as the WAFL, it does not make players play longer and all it does is try to make clubs treat grown men like babies.
But the League will continue to make rules for the minority instead of the majority, at least make it under 18's for A and B grade.

Birdman wrote: Sorry, a points system ASAP. We have a strong president, a good committee, a close relationship with our affiliated junior clubs and good sponsors.


How does a club get to the position where their league coach is on a package of well over $100,000? How could they afford it? Who's paying?

Boys I can't believe what I am reading. This is a joke surely or are we playing out Birdman's fantasies.

We have a fantastic successful A & B Grade competition and the WAAFL want an "ethics committee" to start up a deliberate and sustained process of character assassination that aims to destroy the credibility and reputation of our players and clubs.

Who will be the agents of this character assassinations and will they employ a mix of open and covert methods to achieve their goals, such as raising false accusations, planting and fostering rumours, and manipulating information.

Will it involve exaggeration, misleading half-truths, and manipulation of facts to present an untrue picture of the targeted person.

Wow who will be the modern day equivalent of that best-known perpetuator of anti-communist hysteria, Senator Joseph McCarthy and who will run the WAAFL Un-Amateur Activities Committee.

Seems Birdman made a great start....coaches being paid $100k plus. PLEASE!!!!!!!

What I said was league coach is on a package of over $100,000. The package was pay plus a job.

Another A Grade Club is rumoured to have paid $120,000 in player payments in 2015.

Another A Grade Club coach is rumoured to be on $40,000 per year in 2015. Is he worth it? Yes. Would I like to have him at my club? Yes.

A lower level D Grade Club is rumoured to have paid players in 2015.

A lower lever C Grade Club is rumoured to have paid a Reserves player in 2015.

A B Grade Club is rumoured to have paid players using under-the-counter sponsorship money.

Colts players at my Club were offered money to move clubs mid-season during 2015.

We have upset members because our Committee refused to pay players and suffered the consequences with poached players (pre-season) and poor results in 2015.

Are the clubs above the only ones - not by a country mile!!!

Let's be clear about it - it is CHEATING.

All A and B Grade clubs signed Statutory Declarations this year to say they weren't paying players. Most, if not all of them, have LIED. Lying on a Statutory Declaration is a criminal offence for which you can go to jail.

Most of what I have said is rumour - from really good sources, but rumour nevertheless.

ALL CLUBS, bar ONE, voted for this process at the WAAFL AGM - your club almost certainly included.

Yet people are coming out PUBLICLY critisising me for supporting a process YOUR club almost certainly voted for!!

People are coming out PUBLICLY to critisise me for speaking out against cheating, lying and criminal behaviour!!!

May be the rumoured attempts by A and B Grade Clubs to set up a rival, paid League should be supported.

While we are at it, let's look at some of the other possible implications.

No tax being paid, no superannuation being paid, no Group Certificates issued, no Workers Compensation being paid.

The Taxation Department will just LOVE to get hold of the individuals concerned - players, coaches, clubs and individual Committee Members.

I understand they have already got hold of some country clubs - hence paid players and coaches now have to have ABNs putting all those responsibilities on to them. A number of those players have returned to WAAFL to escape this.

Think about the implications of a Taxation Department prosecution - not just the fines and possible jail terms. Imagine the taxation audits they will do on those concerned - now and in the future.

Most Clubs now enjoy 'not for profit' status - how long will that last if your club gets caught?

From a liquor licensing perspective, will you be a 'fit and proper person'? What may happen to the club's licence? Could your club survive without it?

I 'understand' the Taxation Department is already on to this and the WAAFL now has to be seen to be getting itself and the competition sorted out.

Birdman wrote: (1).....What I said was league coach is on a package of over $100,000. The package was pay plus a job.

(2).........Most of what I have said is rumour - from really good sources, but rumour nevertheless.

(3).........ALL CLUBS, bar ONE, voted for this process at the WAAFL AGM - your club almost certainly included.

Honestly Birdman your hysteria on this subject is a concern. Please note in respect to three of your statements above:

(1) Do you know what position was offered to the coach and the prevailing market as to salaries paid for this position. I would suggest not. Again all rumour and innuendo. No amount of red tape introduced by the WAAFL could address this type of payment. Given the greater majority of senior management and qualified tradesman receive an annual salary in excess of $100k these days, what is actually your point?

(2) Your statement that "Most of what I have said is rumour - from really good sources" really says it all doesn't it?

(3) I would be VERY CONCERNED if the motion to which you refer was not conducted by SECRET BALLOT. Obviously any President voting on behalf of their club and seeking to vote contrary to the proposed strategy would be highly aware that a NO vote might suggest their club is guilty or may be guilty of Past offences, even if they had a strong view that the strategy was offensive and detrimental to their club and players best interests.I would expect a totally different outcome would be obtained had a secret ballot been requested.

"At last Wednesday’s WAAFL Workshop, a Working Party formed to investigate a “Points System” and tackle player remuneration tabled a report which was accepted by about 90% of clubs present."

I accept that it wasn't an AGM as I thought and I wasn't there.

1. 90% acceptance - I understand one club voted against.

2. The 'Working Party' was made up from about 18 or 20 different clubs.

LOTS of Clubs had direct input into the 'Working Party', 90% of Clubs at the Workshop voted for their proposals.

Please read what I wrote and think about the ramifications for your Club and for the individuals concerned.

If (when) the Taxation Department get involved, this all becomes a very different ball game. They have already hit country leagues in WA and the WAAFL IS on their radar.

Birdman why would the tax office give a stuff about an amateur or country footballer getting some cash money on the weekend to have a kick. Your allowed to earn around 10-12k as a hobby anyway.
As for the working party time to move on as they've come up with basically nothing in 12 months so would seem to many of them have there own interests at heart and not the waafl competition.
Anybody know if you can be employed by the club other than a coach and still play in the league side?

BigRig wrote: As for the working party time to move on as they've come up with basically nothing in 12 months so would seem to many of them have there own interests at heart and not the waafl competition.
Anybody know if you can be employed by the club other than a coach and still play in the league side?

Didn't the working party put forward 20+ recommendations to the Board? Think you'll find it's the Board and Administration that are resistant to change, some of them don't seem to be able to put their old club allegiances to the side for the benefit of the whole competition. AGM coming up so might be time for some new faces.

There are obviously 2 different camps; those that want to stay uniquely Amateur and those who want to become semi professional.
So I have an Idea. The WAAFL has always been an Amateur comp, so lets leave it how it is.
The teams that want to pay players can form their own comp, still managed and Administrated by Community football, they can put fences around the grounds and charge people to watch to raise money to pay the players, they can only have 3 sides - League, Ressies and colts as it only costs money for other sides and they need that money for players and they need the left overs to pay and attend the League game. Also to get people in to watch, how about the Paid Player League play their games on Sundays so people have time to come and watch? You know what, we could then call it the Sunday League..... I wonder how that would go?