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58shark wrote:

Androgynous wrote: Just thought I'd remind all here 97% of us are migrants or children of migrants

Also to reflect on the second verse of our national anthem:

Beneath our radiant Southern Cross
We’ll toil with hearts and hands;
To make this Commonwealth of ours
Renowned of all the lands;
For those who’ve come across the seas
We’ve boundless plains to share;
With courage let us all combine
To Advance Australia Fair.
In joyful strains then let us sing,
Advance Australia Fair.

Thoughts?

So your solution is group hugs while singing "koombya"?
These pricks are mindless killers, time to forget political correctness and do something positive.
I have a good solution, but it would make most people faint....it worked with dingoes up north though!!!

You know that's not my point. And yes I think the attacks are disgusting and no I don't have a solution.

It is wrong to victimise, persecute, demonise or attack an entire class/race/religion of people only on the basis of a few nut cases within that group. History teaches us a lesson in that regard.

Every group of people has it's fair share of nut cases. Never judge the many on the actions of a few.

Androgynous wrote:

58shark wrote:

Androgynous wrote: Just thought I'd remind all here 97% of us are migrants or children of migrants

Also to reflect on the second verse of our national anthem:

Beneath our radiant Southern Cross
We’ll toil with hearts and hands;
To make this Commonwealth of ours
Renowned of all the lands;
For those who’ve come across the seas
We’ve boundless plains to share;
With courage let us all combine
To Advance Australia Fair.
In joyful strains then let us sing,
Advance Australia Fair.

Thoughts?

So your solution is group hugs while singing "koombya"?
These pricks are mindless killers, time to forget political correctness and do something positive.
I have a good solution, but it would make most people faint....it worked with dingoes up north though!!!

You know that's not my point. And yes I think the attacks are disgusting and no I don't have a solution.

It is wrong to victimise, persecute, demonise or attack an entire class/race/religion of people only on the basis of a few nut cases within that group. History teaches us a lesson in that regard.

Every group of people has it's fair share of nut cases. Never judge the many on the actions of a few.

Your point was well made. Alas it failed to register on those who advocate vilifying people based on their religion.
Of course that is not going to alienate anyone. Of course it is not going to increase the numbers of people susceptible to radicalisation. Of course it is not going to see an increase in the number of terrorist atrocities Does anyone believe those three statements are correct?
As for Bazza's statistics they prove nothing unless he is suggesting that those percentages are the number of terrorists and then he would be most definitely wrong.
I am shocked that the ridiculous claim that if only people would use the term "radical islamic terrorists" it would disappear. Or the other equally ridiculous and patently false claim that Muslims should start speaking up against these actions.

To be effective there needs to be an exclusiveness where the vast majority of Muslims are not grouped in with the terrorists. The vast majority of Muslims should not feel alienated or marginalised because of their religion. That is how it will be controlled and diminished over time.

Grassy: there are pleny of nutter groups around as you listted; the short answer to your question is: yes. Freedom of Speech is increasinglly under threat in this country. Do you think the Human Rights Commission will back me in trying to shut up some of the groups which wish to see the end of the West? We are taliking about ideologies which vilify the West. Your not suppose to villify other individuals or societies, it that simple.

The "Army of God" terrorist group.

Started in the mid 70’s.

Responsible for many murders around the world since then. Also responsible for 41 bombings, 173 arsons, 91 attempted bombings or arsons, 619 bomb threats, 1630 incidents of trespassing, 1264 incidents of vandalism, and 100 attacks with butyric acid in the USA alone.

They are a religious terrorism group. They choose the bits and pieces they like from their holy religious text to justify their actions. They are still operating worldwide now even here in Australia.


They are Christian. They believe in the Bible.

The Army of God are an obvious minority of nut cases from within their religion. They obviously don’t reflect the majority of people from their religion.

But if we were to follow the arguments of some of you posting on this thread, we should immediately ban all immigration from Christian countries, stop the building of any more Christian churches and schools, deport anyone Christian with dual nationality, stop all priests and clergy from speaking about their religion, etc, etc, etc.

According to the ABS about 60% of Australians identify as being Christian so good luck with that.

Just a thought.

RM: true enough, which is why I have always been secularist and would actually discourage religion of any sort. There are similar Christian groups you could have referred to in Africa. That means -- secularism -- no pray rooms, no separate spaces for different sects or religious groups at swimming pools. The only reason that the non Christian groups are allowed here is because most of the population is secular.

Yes Ark , many other groups from many other religions to choose from.

The point I wanted to make was that you can't condemn an entire "group" of people just on the actions of a minority from within that "group".

I chose that particular example because according to the latest Census most Aussies identify as Christian so thought it may relate more to some of the posters on this thread. Many more examples I could have chosen.

RM -- I am with you

swan42 wrote:

Androgynous wrote:

58shark wrote:

Androgynous wrote: Just thought I'd remind all here 97% of us are migrants or children of migrants

Also to reflect on the second verse of our national anthem:

Beneath our radiant Southern Cross
We’ll toil with hearts and hands;
To make this Commonwealth of ours
Renowned of all the lands;
For those who’ve come across the seas
We’ve boundless plains to share;
With courage let us all combine
To Advance Australia Fair.
In joyful strains then let us sing,
Advance Australia Fair.

Thoughts?

So your solution is group hugs while singing "koombya"?
These pricks are mindless killers, time to forget political correctness and do something positive.
I have a good solution, but it would make most people faint....it worked with dingoes up north though!!!

You know that's not my point. And yes I think the attacks are disgusting and no I don't have a solution.

It is wrong to victimise, persecute, demonise or attack an entire class/race/religion of people only on the basis of a few nut cases within that group. History teaches us a lesson in that regard.

Every group of people has it's fair share of nut cases. Never judge the many on the actions of a few.

Your point was well made. Alas it failed to register on those who advocate vilifying people based on their religion.
Of course that is not going to alienate anyone. Of course it is not going to increase the numbers of people susceptible to radicalisation. Of course it is not going to see an increase in the number of terrorist atrocities Does anyone believe those three statements are correct?
As for Bazza's statistics they prove nothing unless he is suggesting that those percentages are the number of terrorists and then he would be most definitely wrong.
I am shocked that the ridiculous claim that if only people would use the term "radical islamic terrorists" it would disappear. Or the other equally ridiculous and patently false claim that Muslims should start speaking up against these actions.

To be effective there needs to be an exclusiveness where the vast majority of Muslims are not grouped in with the terrorists. The vast majority of Muslims should not feel alienated or marginalised because of their religion. That is how it will be controlled and diminished over time.

Nah it failed to register because it was totally irrellevant just as every point you made is.

Grassy wrote:

Bazza wrote:

BC wrote: jeez....those stats are sobering....I know from experience that going into places like Birmingham, parts of Manchester even large expanses of London itself is like entering a muslim country. I think Britain's tenure in the EU with open borders will definitely come back to bite it even more so than we are seeing at the moment.

yep tell me about it, same experience here, took a drive down the A5 once , might as well of been Baghdad, it was quite frankly unbelievable, here are some more stats.

London 35% Muslim
Bradford 25% Muslim
Blackburn 27% Muslim
Birmingham 22% Muslim
Manchester 17% Muslim

Just Curious.What's the Hindu population in each City?

Can get them - but why? Last time I checked they are not filling body bags all over the place.

Hindus are about 1.4% of the total Population around 840,000 all up, Leicester makes up the biggest City for them about 15.2% but are outnumbered even there by Muslims at about 19%.
By the way there about 440,00 Sikhs all up.

RainMaker wrote: Yes Ark , many other groups from many other religions to choose from.

The point I wanted to make was that you can't condemn an entire "group" of people just on the actions of a minority from within that "group".

I chose that particular example because according to the latest Census most Aussies identify as Christian so thought it may relate more to some of the posters on this thread. Many more examples I could have chosen.

too true RM....not all Muslims are terrorists but as it stands in the world today the vast majority of terrorists are Muslims....so what's the answer?