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Peter North wrote: So what was the point of this court action, Asada have stated win or lose they will re issue show causes within 24 hours after the verdict and now we have Little saying that he will ask the government to intervene if the case is deemed unlawful.

Essendon face the facts you are done Wada will not let this go, you are a disgrace of a club and .are drug cheats take your medicine.

Having read parts of the affidavit the Afl tried to strike a deal where Hird was sacrificed and the players spared but they didn't count on Wada saying sorry but no deal, did Vlad and Essendon actually think they could influence Asada and the world anti doping authority.

Spot on PN. Reality is (AFL) is a small sport in a small country (population wise), BUT here is AUS we are led to believe it ( the AFL) is such a big important sport, that is beyond anyone or any governing body. WADA got Lance , who i am sure had a helluva lot more clout than Essendon. I wait with anticipation for the REAL outcome.

and yet there is still no proof anyone at Essendon took a banned substance.

Until Dank speaks or results of testing are made public this is all theoretical.

Northing different to what Brisbane were doing in the early 2000's,

The only thing we do know for sure is that Essendon had poor management & the AFL and ASADA colluded to stitch them up with the help of the government.

Essendon should be booted out of the AFL period. They are a disgrace of a club. The Fremantle v Geelong game got about 45 seconds of coverage on Talking Footy on Monday night because the first 15 min of the show was taken up by the court case. They have dragged this competition into the gutter. I have no time for James Hird. He is a precious weak individual that can't man up and admit he was the driving force behind what took place. He is now even blaming the Essendon FC for what went on and deserted a mate in the process. Weak Cunt.

Unholytugboat wrote: and yet there is still no proof anyone at Essendon took a banned substance.

Until Dank speaks or results of testing are made public this is all theoretical.

Northing different to what Brisbane were doing in the early 2000's,

The only thing we do know for sure is that Essendon had poor management & the AFL and ASADA colluded to stitch them up with the help of the government.

Yeah right a former high court judge and Asada lawyers went through the evidence and found enough to issue show cause notices, as UNKA stated in the scheme of things the AFL is a small comp when it comes to WADA they don't care about upsetting the apple cart they are there to enforce the code the AFL signed up to.
And btw they don't need a positive test the consent forms and paper trail is enough to show intent just ask Lance Armstrong he was done on circumstantial evidence.

And if there is no proof why have the bombers spent thousands on lawyers to deem this investigation unlawful they are just stalling for the inevitable.

One thing ive noticed about our media they are quick to condemn other countries that cheat but seem to turn a blind eye when its in their own back yard, I have been consistent from the start that players will receive a two year ban.

Peter North wrote:

Unholytugboat wrote: and yet there is still no proof anyone at Essendon took a banned substance.

Until Dank speaks or results of testing are made public this is all theoretical.

Northing different to what Brisbane were doing in the early 2000's,

The only thing we do know for sure is that Essendon had poor management & the AFL and ASADA colluded to stitch them up with the help of the government.

Yeah right a former high court judge and Asada lawyers went through the evidence and found enough to issue show cause notices, as UNKA stated in the scheme of things the AFL is a small comp when it comes to WADA they don't care about upsetting the apple cart they are there to enforce the code the AFL signed up to.
And btw they don't need a positive test the consent forms and paper trail is enough to show intent just ask Lance Armstrong he was done on circumstantial evidence.

And if there is no proof why have the bombers spent thousands on lawyers to deem this investigation unlawful they are just stalling for the inevitable.

One thing ive noticed about our media they are quick to condemn other countries that cheat but seem to turn a blind eye when its in their own back yard, I have been consistent from the start that players will receive a two year ban.

Essendon went to court hoping to have the case brought to a quick close but also with the purpose of showing the football public what has been going on behind closed doors with ASADA the AFL, Govt and their output through the media. They have always known they will need to answer the show cause notices at some stage.

If ASADA has so-called evidence identifying the alleged drug use which they did not detail to the players in the show cause notices then why did they even bother defending themselves in court. As they keep saying they can re-issue the notices 24hrs later so why waste 3 million dollars of tax-payers money to defend their right to the joint investigation if the result of the court case doesn't matter to them anyway.

Jeff Kennett calling for a royal commission in to the whole sordid affair is quite likely the next stage of proceedings in what appears to be a very corrupt investigation. So much for Gill's dream of this going away quickly & quietly.

The paper trail you mention is in relation to AOD964 & Thymodulin and not Thymosin Beta 4.

And yes you are right Peter, they don't need a positive test to issue infractions so it is now left up to the players & club to prove their innocence. I ask you all this, please explain how you can prove yourself innocent of something you think you haven't done and have been told by the person who allegedly did this thing to you you that you haven't done it, in which you gave no authority for said deed to be done and are not sure what you have supposedly done because you have not been supplied the details or any evidence of the specifics of what someone has alleged against you. Its like a copper pulling you up and saying "Prove to me you haven't been speeding".

ASADA are fishing, that is very bloody clear. What isn't clear is what the hell else is really going on behind the facade of this investigation. I smell something much more sinister. Dank not being interviewed at this stage leads me to believe their is much more going on at a criminal level away from footy that people in the know aren't prepared to talk about just yet. ie Still Under Investigation.

Dirty Weekender wrote:

Peter North wrote:

Unholytugboat wrote: and yet there is still no proof anyone at Essendon took a banned substance.

Until Dank speaks or results of testing are made public this is all theoretical.

Northing different to what Brisbane were doing in the early 2000's,

The only thing we do know for sure is that Essendon had poor management & the AFL and ASADA colluded to stitch them up with the help of the government.

Yeah right a former high court judge and Asada lawyers went through the evidence and found enough to issue show cause notices, as UNKA stated in the scheme of things the AFL is a small comp when it comes to WADA they don't care about upsetting the apple cart they are there to enforce the code the AFL signed up to.
And btw they don't need a positive test the consent forms and paper trail is enough to show intent just ask Lance Armstrong he was done on circumstantial evidence.

And if there is no proof why have the bombers spent thousands on lawyers to deem this investigation unlawful they are just stalling for the inevitable.

One thing ive noticed about our media they are quick to condemn other countries that cheat but seem to turn a blind eye when its in their own back yard, I have been consistent from the start that players will receive a two year ban.

Essendon went to court hoping to have the case brought to a quick close but also with the purpose of showing the football public what has been going on behind closed doors with ASADA the AFL, Govt and their output through the media. They have always known they will need to answer the show cause notices at some stage.

If ASADA has so-called evidence identifying the alleged drug use which they did not detail to the players in the show cause notices then why did they even bother defending themselves in court. As they keep saying they can re-issue the notices 24hrs later so why waste 3 million dollars of tax-payers money to defend their right to the joint investigation if the result of the court case doesn't matter to them anyway.

Jeff Kennett calling for a royal commission in to the whole sordid affair is quite likely the next stage of proceedings in what appears to be a very corrupt investigation. So much for Gill's dream of this going away quickly & quietly.

The paper trail you mention is in relation to AOD964 & Thymodulin and not Thymosin Beta 4.

And yes you are right Peter, they don't need a positive test to issue infractions so it is now left up to the players & club to prove their innocence. I ask you all this, please explain how you can prove yourself innocent of something you think you haven't done and have been told by the person who allegedly did this thing to you you that you haven't done it, in which you gave no authority for said deed to be done and are not sure what you have supposedly done because you have not been supplied the details or any evidence of the specifics of what someone has alleged against you. Its like a copper pulling you up and saying "Prove to me you haven't been speeding".

ASADA are fishing, that is very bloody clear. What isn't clear is what the hell else is really going on behind the facade of this investigation. I smell something much more sinister. Dank not being interviewed at this stage leads me to believe their is much more going on at a criminal level away from footy that people in the know aren't prepared to talk about just yet. ie Still Under Investigation.

You do know that this drug is used on Aids patients, so why would the Bombers be using it, Dank was summoned by Asada he instead sent his Lawyers Dank has said on numerous occasion the Essendon players took nothing banned and yet he wont be interviewed and put this to bed.

As for Asada being incompetent yes they were understaffed at the beginning of the investigation since then though they have rectified that I don't know what you mean about fishing its all being signed off by a former Usada lawyer, Asada and WADA lawyers and a former federal judge all the ducks are lined up, there is only one reason this went to court and that is to stall for time, and what do you expect from that turd of a president who only believes in litigation the only reason he took Evans job was because Evans wanted to do a deal with the AFL and asada and Hird got the sooks about it and stabbed his great friend in the back.

Like you say there is no way they aren't going to face SCN its only a matter of time and Asada believe they have enough evidence they have gathered since Feb even if this investigation gets deemed unlawful , like I said in a previous post the almighty AfL and Bombers means nothing to the World Anti Doping Authority and Asada.

Do you really think Vlad would of kicked you out of the finals if there was no proof, he was on your side from the beginning unfortunately for him WADA said no deal and this is the problem for the Bombers WADA will not go away.

Like you Peter I'm still waiting to see this so called evidence. If they've got it, and it is so clear cut that it can't be denied, why won't they reveal it. It would stop all this hoopla in its tracks immediately. Why don't they detail it to the players and the EFC. I can think of only two reasons, it's either extremely circumstantial and will be up against serious scrutiny from all and sundry, especially the media who will have a field day if the evidence is weak after all these shenanigans or there is something else going on in the background none of us are aware of, something on an international scale much bigger than football that might just need to be kept quiet for now for investigative purposes. ASADA saying we think you might have done it so you must have is all I've heard out of them so far. Why won't McDevitt even speak with Essendon officials let alone the players? For an organisation that are supposed to be completely transparent they certainly do like to hide behind their curtains. More and more by the day I'm intrigued by their lack of willingness to provide any concrete evidence. Is it because their number one source is a convicted criminal who has done jail time for illegal drug importation, surely they aren't hanging their hats on his word. It makes no sense for them to conceal what they know if it is irrefutable in showing that TB-4 and not Thymodulin Alpha (which the players signed off on and believe they were injected with) was given to the players.....the one thing a guilty or not guilty verdict is now dependent on in this whole saga.

Dirty Weekender wrote: Like you Peter I'm still waiting to see this so called evidence. If they've got it, and it is so clear cut that it can't be denied, why won't they reveal it. It would stop all this hoopla in its tracks immediately. Why don't they detail it to the players and the EFC. I can think of only two reasons, it's either extremely circumstantial and will be up against serious scrutiny from all and sundry, especially the media who will have a field day if the evidence is weak after all these shenanigans or there is something else going on in the background none of us are aware of, something on an international scale much bigger than football that might just need to be kept quiet for now for investigative purposes. ASADA saying we think you might have done it so you must have is all I've heard out of them so far. Why won't McDevitt even speak with Essendon officials let alone the players? For an organisation that are supposed to be completely transparent they certainly do like to hide behind their curtains. More and more by the day I'm intrigued by their lack of willingness to provide any concrete evidence. Is it because their number one source is a convicted criminal who has done jail time for illegal drug importation, surely they aren't hanging their hats on his word. It makes no sense for them to conceal what they know if it is irrefutable in showing that TB-4 and not Thymodulin Alpha (which the players signed off on and believe they were injected with) was given to the players.....the one thing a guilty or not guilty verdict is now dependent on in this whole saga.

One word, well sorta WADA

Are you suggesting WADA doesn't want the truth to come out??? By withholding the evidence from scrutiny that is in effect what is happening here. Bigger control freaks than the AFL if they are manufacturing an outcome due to a lack of evidence. If not then show us the bloody evidence.

Dirty Weekender wrote: Are you suggesting WADA doesn't want the truth to come out??? By withholding the evidence from scrutiny that is in effect what is happening here. Bigger control freaks than the AFL if they are manufacturing an outcome due to a lack of evidence. If not then show us the bloody evidence.[/quot

Yes because when the police investigate a case they show everyone that's involved the evidence that's how they catch perps out lol.

The arrogance from the EFC and it's supporters shows no bounds ASADA don't need to communicate with Little they issue notices and then it's up to the players to respond to the evidence you and Little need to read up on the anti doping code and learns how they conduct their investigation it's actually written by Wada.

When this is over EFC will go down as the biggest disgrace in Aussie sport there's even murmurs of 7 players launching legal cases against Essendon you could be demolished when the money runs out through lawyers fees.