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Demographics of the areas is important too. Lots of Perth's metro zone have high populations but have higher numbers of immigrants who are less likely to play football. Ellenbrook is another example - although the population seems to add to the pool for East Perth, when you look at their senior player list there are as many players from "old suburb" Coolbinia as there are from Ellenbrook. There are the same number from old suburb South Perth in the Demons squad

Factor opinion wrote: Demographics of the areas is important too. Lots of Perth's metro zone have high populations but have higher numbers of immigrants who are less likely to play football. Ellenbrook is another example - although the population seems to add to the pool for East Perth, when you look at their senior player list there are as many players from "old suburb" Coolbinia as there are from Ellenbrook. There are the same number from old suburb South Perth in the Demons squad

Remember playing in queens park's first ever under 12's game in 1967 against manning.We got beat 20 goals to nothing.I suspect Peter Spencer,Rob Wiley and Brian Peake were part of that team.

STT: Neil Randall mentioned once that he ended up at Subi because Bunton went to see his family just before the league introduced zones. I think they used the zone to help Subi in the late 1970s, grantting them and different times, Wanneroo and Peel.

Factor Opinion: you right the Commission has a real problem with the ethnic minorities. There would be large parts of the population whom have lived here for decades whom would be unaware of the WAFL's existence. That is a problem for the Commission, they need to advertise the competition in the paper and on channel 7; this should be done over a period of years rather than weeks and months, because the average person does not respond to one off campaigns unless there on a massive scale.

I am not optimistic in regards convertting most of the ethnic minorities, as most these days, come from Africa, the Middle East or the Far East, all regions with no tradition of playing contact sports; and, even worse, outright religious objections to playing contact sports. As I have said before on here, the UK has been unable to assimilate the Pakastanis and Indians into playing even soccer, never mind rugby league or rugby union. On this basis, how can the Commission or AFL be confident about doing it here? Do we have a magic potion which the British don't know about?

Tying all this back to our zone system, taking into consideration the above demographics, we are going to have trouble recruitting league footballers in the future comparred to the past because of a drop--off in the participation rate.

all this I have mentioned about ethnic distribution is important because as people will be aware, the Commission works on a node system of expandding areas in relation to designing the zones. In other words, to put it a little unfairly, they are extending the league into areas where large parts of the population have no interest. In the shorter to medium run, clubs, therefore, might be better off with older areas -- in Subi's case Carine-Warwick

In lots of ways the node system does not exist for many clubs:

Claremont and Subi bot lack expansion nodes -- Goldfields and money save Subi; the Commission has a real problem with the Tigers, one which is uneasily solved quickly

EP and SD are in exactly the same position depending on how Ellenbrook is allocatted each zone cycle.

ArkRoyal wrote: STT: Neil Randall mentioned once that he ended up at Subi because Bunton went to see his family just before the league introduced zones. I think they used the zone to help Subi in the late 1970s, grantting them and different times, Wanneroo and Peel.

Factor Opinion: you right the Commission has a real problem with the ethnic minorities. There would be large parts of the population whom have lived here for decades whom would be unaware of the WAFL's existence. That is a problem for the Commission, they need to advertise the competition in the paper and on channel 7; this should be done over a period of years rather than weeks and months, because the average person does not respond to one off campaigns unless there on a massive scale.

I am not optimistic in regards convertting most of the ethnic minorities, as most these days, come from Africa, the Middle East or the Far East, all regions with no tradition of playing contact sports; and, even worse, outright religious objections to playing contact sports. As I have said before on here, the UK has been unable to assimilate the Pakastanis and Indians into playing even soccer, never mind rugby league or rugby union. On this basis, how can the Commission or AFL be confident about doing it here? Do we have a magic potion which the British don't know about?

Tying all this back to our zone system, taking into consideration the above demographics, we are going to have trouble recruitting league footballers in the future comparred to the past because of a drop--off in the participation rate.

Ark the WAFC needs to get training camps into the education system..The new Australians need to be introduced to footy there.Before they play soccer.

ArkRoyal wrote: all this I have mentioned about ethnic distribution is important because as people will be aware, the Commission works on a node system of expandding areas in relation to designing the zones. In other words, to put it a little unfairly, they are extending the league into areas where large parts of the population have no interest. In the shorter to medium run, clubs, therefore, might be better off with older areas -- in Subi's case Carine-Warwick

In lots of ways the node system does not exist for many clubs:

Claremont and Subi bot lack expansion nodes -- Goldfields and money save Subi; the Commission has a real problem with the Tigers, one which is uneasily solved quickly

EP and SD are in exactly the same position depending on how Ellenbrook is allocatted each zone cycle.

It woud be interesting to analyse what players came through Ellenbrook to Swans compared with Ellenbrook through to East Perth.

Yes Swan it would be interesting but you have to remember that not all of “Ellenbrook” is in EP zone. About 50% of the players in that club remain in Swans zone. This raises a slightly different issue with zone boundaries. The zones could be more efficiently managed if the whole of the natural intake of a club is within the same zone. I don’t know of any other club/zone where that is an issue but I gues there’d be a few

I wonder if it would be worth breaking the state up into the following system:

Peel
SF
EF

Subi
WP
Tigers

SD
EP
Demons

This would leave us with 3 expnaded zones with all three being able to recruit players in the area

It would also give every club access to a 'zone node' which is central to the Commission's model.

just another explanation on the triple zones for people. I have put the Demons into the North/ Midland region as an attemptted equalisation measure -- 'Ellenbrook'; in addition, I would make sure their tradtional borders include either Southern River or Armidale.

The Commission needs to face the fact, that, since the introduction of Peel, of the sides south of the river, only the red v has won the flag.

Arky, that's not far from what we've got now running from the Metro conference model into the WAFC run talent pathway 14s to Colts. the only thing that would be changed is the residential requirement being expended to eligible for 3 clubs instead of 1.

I assume that the existing country areas are included in the "conference zone" model. At least for the South West where the academy runs to look after player from at least Swans and EP it makes some sense.

A problem I see is that this model does give over all of the development to the WAFC and will be at the whim of a products for the AFL mentality, which may be prejudicial to the WAFL as a whole.