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Grassy: 100 per cent correct; they have a duty to put it right, misleading the public is a serious matter. While they are at it, they can also add that, the final four itself was not introduced until 1931 or so. Before that time, I believe, the competition had used some sort of challenge system. I never thought I would see day that a supposedly reputable sports body would atrtifically create 'matches' in its own past.

Absolutely no way would you see the AFL allowing such a change to be made to its history.
Similarly, the EPL would not produce material which suggested that the three points for a win had always existed in the Premier League.

Jeez fellas is it really worth losing sleep over? Seems to me its just some automated computer system error or something.

As TOO said the line indicating the finals position would simply be a programming issue. No one would have gone through and typed in ladders for every year and moved he line. The Ladders page is one page and by choosing the year from the drop down menu the page then displays the data based on the year selected on the page viewed. The table format has a line under the 5th placed team, where prior to last year would have been after the 4th placed team, they simply changed the code on that page to place the line in a different location on the table (ladder) In my experience this is not an easy fix, this is why on my site for example, on the ladders pages I have not indicated the finals positions as it was too hard to do this with multiple finals formats used over the years.

This does not in any way create additional games as you would be able to tell from the season scores pages.

Future historians would be able to identify such issues and not include games that did not exist. I know through years of gathering my data in a number of cases I had to cross check various records to get the correct information, so I don't see a line in a ladders page cause too much grief. Any decent historian would not just use one source,although having the governing body with incorrect information certainly doesn't help. I am sure my site has an error or two but I fix them soon as either I or someone else has noticed and I stay away from anything too tricky like indicating the finalists and venue name changes.

Naming of venues is a tricky one, as the data is taken from a database if for example they have Lathlain Park, Brownes Stadium and Eftel Oval in their database, they would appear as three separate venues, so they simply have changed the venue to its current name. Again to resolve that issue I've kept with the original names such as Lathlain Park.

Bigger issues that should be resolved, which clearly make for statistical errors are all Claremont Oval games are now Claremont Showgrounds and in 1898 and 1899 no scores are provided for games vs both Rovers or Fremantle. So win loss records for WP, EF, Perth are incorrect, not too mention WP games prior to 1898 - which incidentally I also don't have on my site either due to me not having all the scores and the complexity of calculating scores for those years in my database as although goals and behinds were scored, only goals counted.

These issues, and the lack of player information are a couple of the reasons I created my site, so an easy solution is just use my site - haha

waflfootyfacts wrote: As TOO said the line indicating the finals position would simply be a programming issue. No one would have gone through and typed in ladders for every year and moved he line. The Ladders page is one page and by choosing the year from the drop down menu the page then displays the data based on the year selected on the page viewed. The table format has a line under the 5th placed team, where prior to last year would have been after the 4th placed team, they simply changed the code on that page to place the line in a different location on the table (ladder) In my experience this is not an easy fix, this is why on my site for example, on the ladders pages I have not indicated the finals positions as it was too hard to do this with multiple finals formats used over the years.

This does not in any way create additional games as you would be able to tell from the season scores pages.

Future historians would be able to identify such issues and not include games that did not exist. I know through years of gathering my data in a number of cases I had to cross check various records to get the correct information, so I don't see a line in a ladders page cause too much grief. Any decent historian would not just use one source,although having the governing body with incorrect information certainly doesn't help. I am sure my site has an error or two but I fix them soon as either I or someone else has noticed and I stay away from anything too tricky like indicating the finalists and venue name changes.

Naming of venues is a tricky one, as the data is taken from a database if for example they have Lathlain Park, Brownes Stadium and Eftel Oval in their database, they would appear as three separate venues, so they simply have changed the venue to its current name. Again to resolve that issue I've kept with the original names such as Lathlain Park.

Bigger issues that should be resolved, which clearly make for statistical errors are all Claremont Oval games are now Claremont Showgrounds and in 1898 and 1899 no scores are provided for games vs both Rovers or Fremantle. So win loss records for WP, EF, Perth are incorrect, not too mention WP games prior to 1898 - which incidentally I also don't have on my site either due to me not having all the scores and the complexity of calculating scores for those years in my database as although goals and behinds were scored, only goals counted.

These issues, and the lack of player information are a couple of the reasons I created my site, so an easy solution is just use my site - haha

I was thinking the same thing mate, your site is a ripper and craps all over the WAFL site!

I think you have hit the nail on the head there grassy

Cheers Swandog!

Have had a huge problem with the WAFC’s IT over the years considering what is spent on it.

The Country section has always been a joke and the WAFL clubs histories are severely lacking.

When is the commish going to learn that the internet has been around for two decades and there are a huge amount of people who use these sites for referencing?
A classic example was Beasley Hutton’s terrific thread on country footballers that have played in the WAFL.

Won’t say the WAFC IT is lazy but if it is not AFL centric they don’t seem to be interested.

The Page System started in 1931 with the final 5 60 years later so how hard was it to write 60 bits of code? 1 hour?

Thank the stars for our gentlemen amateurs in Ric Gauci, Brad Willey, Trevor from Manjimup and the Timelord.

What I'd like to know is, whose making all the money from wa day?!

Whilst realizing there's not many Western Australians in Western Australia nowadays, because of many migrants, people coming from interstate etcetera, still puzzling as to the state government changing the name from Foundation Day.
As the saying goes, once one loses sight of history, you're stuffed! I would have thought showing all the new arrivals WA's vast history would be beneficial, but obviously not!
State government seems to want to turn the day into another party!

Claremont Oval is called Claremont Showgrounds on the WAFL site

Claremont Showground is called Show Grounds.

The season results are correctly allocated (ie all 1926, r1 2005 and 2014-16 at Show Grounds) though the confusion would surely not take much to fix.

Just so everyone knows, these are all games ever played at the Showgrounds. There's been 50 games including the 1907 Grand Final there with the first in 1907 and Claremont Oval has hosted 821 games.

waflfootyfacts.net/venueallgames.php?Venue=Showgrounds

waflfootyfacts.net/venueallgames.php?Venue=Claremont%20Oval

While we're on the subject of the Showgrounds, an interesting little historical fact is it was the location of the demons first ever wafl premiership.