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ArkRoyal wrote: When people make comparisons between Abbot and Turnbull -- you need to remember that Tony went arond upsetting people, whereas, Malcolm, on the other hand, went around pretending to be nice and still could not get a vote.

They made the right decision the parliamentary party -- Malcolm was cock-up after a cock up -- changing the GST, letting the states levy personal income tax -- but, the biggest cock-up of all was 'the double disillusion election' , which being a great 'progressive' he was going to use to crack down on the ACTU. Well that went really well for our Malc and everybody else got the blame but him.

The same thing would have happened had they let him go to the next election

AR would Tony Abbott have won the 2016 election if he had still been the PM?

PS it is exquisite viewing watching the meltdown of Alan Jones.

PPS Alan Jones if you seriously think that Malcolm Turnbull's son is not entitled to have his own opinion and further to express those views then you are certifiable.

Swan42: no tony would not have won the election, but he had performmed well in the previous two elections; but, as we know, Malcolm only won it, in consequence of Tony's large majority, and, as we re-call, the fact that the ALP did poorly in Victoria because the silly Andrews government had picked a fight with a state's emergency services -- had those two factors not been in play, Malcolm would have lost last time.

ArkRoyal wrote: Swan42: no tony would not have won the election, but he had performmed well in the previous two elections; but, as we know, Malcolm only won it, in consequence of Tony's large majority, and, as we re-call, the fact that the ALP did poorly in Victoria because the silly Andrews government had picked a fight with a state's emergency services -- had those two factors not been in play, Malcolm would have lost last time.

Actually Id argue he didn't perform as well as he should off

he really should of rolled Gillard at the first one , it was a walk up , and he failed, worst still his personality was such that presented with forming a government he could not cobble together the independent's, Windsor etc said straight out if it had been anyone than Abbott leading the party he would of got the Libs in, Abbott stuffed up the negotiations, and we had 3 more years of Labor pain...

And then after the Rudd Gillard Rudd fiaso, yes he won , but it wasn't him it was the labor dysfunction and in fact he underperformed in Western Sydney seats quite badly , it should of been a clean sweep there but his persona did not get the vote.
And I say all this as a Abbott supporter at the time, and he should of lead them to the next election but I am certain he would of lost , the 2 PP polling was terrible and he went from one stuff up to another , he became a laughing stock after the knighthoods fiasco, despite being given a scare him and Credlin decided to rule outside the collegiate cabinet style.

Ask yourself this question if Abbott is so great why isn't he leader now rather than Sco Mo?

Abbott is toxic is time is over and in 7 months he will be unemployed.

Baz: Abbot will still have his seat --

On the negotiations:

Windsor hatted the Nationals
He also had to put together a coalition with the ALP to make sure that the parliament ran three years; if, on the other hand, he had of propped Abbot, there would have been nothing stopping Tony from calling an early election, which would have seen Winsor and Oakshott being out of parliament. He was also promissed the NBN in his electorate.

It had nothing to do with Abbot being toxic and everything to do with political survival and gain on the part of the two independents.

The above facts were such that Gillard was stupid in signning an agreement with the indpendents and the Greens; she could have rulled as a minority governemnt with the support of both for the same reason. All she had to do was put forward legisaltion which was popular -- the NBN, the dIsability scheme -- and they would have supported her out of political interest. Down the track, she could have called an election with popular policies unburdened by the bloody green tax.

I don't think Abbott will hang onto Warringah, Jane Caro will run, and get preferences from Labor and Greens, Warringah is more left wing than Wentworth,,he's cooked. Dutton on is pathetic 1.9% might as well go now.

Make no mistake Abbott was toxic as far as Windsor and the rest were concerned , have you read about what went down, Windsor summed it up clearly.

Bazza: if they do what has happened in some state elections -- NSW abd QLD -- and in Canada, your right, the vast majority of the parliamentary Liberal party will be in grave danger.

The alt right wing nut jobs think that Liberal Party needs to move to the right. They just don't understand how far the Liberal Party has moved to the right.

What these alt right wing nut jobs also don't realise is that with our compulsory voting alt right wing nut jobs are not acceptable to the majority of Australians.

I would also suggest that Andrew Bolt's et al railing against Fran Kelly because of her parody on the ABC's Insiders programme show just how out of touch they are.

swan42 wrote: The alt right wing nut jobs think that Liberal Party needs to move to the right. They just don't understand how far the Liberal Party has moved to the right.

What these alt right wing nut jobs also don't realise is that with our compulsory voting alt right wing nut jobs are not acceptable to the majority of Australians.

I would also suggest that Andrew Bolt's et al railing against Fran Kelly because of her parody on the ABC's Insiders programme show just how out of touch they are.

42 the Trans Pacific Partnership shows how shifty this Government is.There silence on this shows that.Can a foreign Multinational company sue a Democraticly elected Australian Government. If the Government changes a policy they don't like.Ie Uber who operate illegally in Australia.

Hanson's on 6 per cent of the vote-- the way to get the vote back is to deal with the question of immigration; both the Premier and the Opposition leader in NSW are on the same wave length here, so there should be a degree of partiisanship on it

There was a reason why Menzies is reported to have votted for the DLP towards the end of his life.

For all the hype about Shama could still win the seat for the Liberals, as at 6.03pm AEDT on Thursday evening 1,783 votes behind.