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Freezin wrote:

Stand the Test wrote:

BC wrote: blah, blah, blah....

Pretty much what everyone reads when they see your match previews and reports bud.

Ditto and your anti Subi crusade mate....what I don't get is that those Subi recruits in Pickett, Webb, Lockyer, Heals Hildebrandt, Kitchen, Ambrose, Della etc played less top level footy than some of those PFC recruits in Spencer, Graham, Morton, Morton, Morton, Young, Jones, Davis etc....just strange those Subi recruits played better footy in the WAFL than those Perth recruits, who in all honesty came to the WAFL comp with far better credentials...why was that?.....didn't Perth pay those boys enough to be better players than what they delivered?...obviously Subi did....LOL

Freez we know your routine mate, lift your standards etc. A comparison between the intensity of subi recruiting and that of other clubs including PFC is just silly.

And don’t even start on the poaching from other clubs that you conveniently overlook.

And PFC recruits maybe haven’t performed well because they have not nerve backed up by the best zone in the wafl players.

You’ve lost touch mate.

Stand the Test wrote:

Freezin wrote:

Stand the Test wrote:

BC wrote: blah, blah, blah....

Pretty much what everyone reads when they see your match previews and reports bud.

Ditto and your anti Subi crusade mate....what I don't get is that those Subi recruits in Pickett, Webb, Lockyer, Heals Hildebrandt, Kitchen, Ambrose, Della etc played less top level footy than some of those PFC recruits in Spencer, Graham, Morton, Morton, Morton, Young, Jones, Davis etc....just strange those Subi recruits played better footy in the WAFL than those Perth recruits, who in all honesty came to the WAFL comp with far better credentials...why was that?.....didn't Perth pay those boys enough to be better players than what they delivered?...obviously Subi did....LOL

Freez we know your routine mate, lift your standards etc. A comparison between the intensity of subi recruiting and that of other clubs including PFC is just silly.

And don’t even start on the poaching from other clubs that you conveniently overlook.

And PFC recruits maybe haven’t performed well because they have not been backed up by the best zone in the wafl players.

You’ve lost touch mate.

STT....so am I wrong in saying that all those Perth recruits played less AFL than all those Subi recruits?...because pretty sure you Perth boys bang on every year about the inability of Perth to attract those "quality" "big name" delisted AFL players.

..as for Subi having the best WAFL zone?....fark what are you smoking?....pretty sure Cl has that mantle followed closely by both the WAFL Fremantle clubs....it has been well documented on a number of footy forums over the years, by folk who even coach at the junior district level within the Perth zone, that PFC has done fark all in developing their junior clubs for years.....so you reap what you sow.....and still puzzled how more money, makes a reserves player like Sokol or Heal into a better player than what they were at their original club playing farking reserves???....stop your whinging about how Perth lost KT or Macdougall to Subi..big deal?......fark Perth like EF have been a laughing stock for years.....more so for the former than the latter tho..LOL.....EF have lost just as many to Subi, the likes of Ryan, Chick, Read, Marsh and Menagola to Subi wanted to play at a successfully run professional footy club where the culture was spot on for delivering regular finals footy.....it's footy.... move on....success will always attract....

I would safely say the reason why PFC recruits haven't performed as well compared to Subi's recruits, is that because PFC has been a basket case for decades where losing was so ingrained in the club, that the Perth fans lost complete touch with reality, thinking their squad for years was better than it actually was....but hey its all blah blah blah come end of the day....well done on your win on the weekend too

STT Any zone that has produced

Davis
Couglan
Glass
Johnson
McDougall
Maher
Mayne
Franklin
Haddrill
Bandy
Woods
Mcinness
Bateman
Armstrong
Hargrave
Tendai M
O'Meara
D. White

cannot be considered to have had a weak zone. If that side was put up against a Subi zone side it would be superior all over the ground and would win most games between the two clubs. Rather, the PFC have failed to win the flag because the draft age is too low, together with other factors, including Subi's recruiting. Feel free to pick your best 18 from the back line and I will follow suit for Subi.

Ark for mine it is about the depth of your zone, that has always been my point. Any major geographical area will produce some talent but to get depth you need a set of socio-economic factors that are sadly not present as you head down Albany Highway.

And Freez, mate that is just a pre-coffee rant and one mainly against yourself.

I honestly don't understand the point that Freeze and AR are trying to make. Are you suggesting that in 2004-2008 and 2014-2019 Perth have had just as strong a team as Subi, with the same number of quality recruits, but have fallen short as a result of setting low standards and poor culture? Yes, if you go back 15-20 you can find a number of quality home grown players and recruits. but they have never been concentrated in the one team at the one time. Again, compare Lockyer, Litherland, Marsh, Dela and Kitchin to Lague, Dennis, Payne, Cary and Coniglio. Wanna swap?

Stand the Test wrote: Ark for mine it is about the depth of your zone, that has always been my point. Any major geographical area will produce some talent but to get depth you need a set of socio-economic factors that are sadly not present as you head down Albany Highway.

And Freez, mate that is just a pre-coffee rant and one mainly against yourself.

STT at Swans we are faced with similar issues being the NE based club to your SE club. The clubs based in wealthier areas in the Western Suburbs and along the coast/river wouldnt understand some of the issues confronted by the 2 Eastern Suburb teams, I know just making sure some of the young kids in our zone are fed each week is something the CL, SU, EF, WP etc wouldnt have to ever worry about!

Beasley Hutton wrote:

Stand the Test wrote: Ark for mine it is about the depth of your zone, that has always been my point. Any major geographical area will produce some talent but to get depth you need a set of socio-economic factors that are sadly not present as you head down Albany Highway.

And Freez, mate that is just a pre-coffee rant and one mainly against yourself.

STT at Swans we are faced with similar issues being the NE based club to your SE club. The clubs based in wealthier areas in the Western Suburbs and along the coast/river wouldnt understand some of the issues confronted by the 2 Eastern Suburb teams, I know just making sure some of the young kids in our zone are fed each week is something the CL, SU, EF, WP etc wouldnt have to ever worry about!

Beas, you don’t like to just come out and say it but you are so right mate. Getting fed can be a problem, in many instances you can forget altogether about the concept of a steady good diet during growth years. How much emphasis is put on joining expensive footy clubs when food is a problem? A lot of the junior clubs forego fees and let kids play but the clubs suffer financially. And then where does getting to training on time every time fit into people’s lives? It’s a battle. There are often no mum and dad taxis. There is not that day in day out discipline.
Obviously I am not talking about everyone, that would be silly. I am talking about socio economic factors more present in our zones.

It has an impact that the coastal clubs just don’t get. I invite any poster to go for a cruise through Maddo or beckenham or midland at night. There are ‘good’ suburbs in our zones but most of our zones have low socio economic indicators. One effect, perhaps not an important one to many, but one effect is how our clubs perform in the wafl.

STT&Ted: good posts -- I have always believed that had the draft age been 21, the PFC would have had enough talent to win the flag around the turn of the century.

Thanks Ark. Instead we have played in 2 grand finals, one in colts and one in reserves this millennium. Something is amiss and it ain’t Freez’s ‘culture’.
And I know Subi has its blue collar areas like Balga but it is tough when your whole zone is Balga...