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Tiger Tales wrote: Everyone's born with the same amount of talent Mr AFL. It's how kids are developed and how dedicated they are that sets them apart from their peers.

Perth has over the years had a number of quality players move through the junior development system, into colts and onto AFL list. Maybe this was achieved by these players inspite of the club they were zoned to rather than as a result of a good development pathway. Where Perth seem to have struggled over the last 30 years is developing the second tier of players which should form your League squad.

Does anyone know how many players each WAFL club currently has on AFL lists? Or how many AFL players each WAFL club has produced over the last 20 years?

Yes everyone is born but I do think that some kids are born with more natural talent than others and then as you point out it is about how kids are developed which helps the development process. This is an area where we have not done well in the past.

If you can take any positives out of this season is the fact that the youngsters are being exposed to a large chunk of league football. Not just a game here and there before being sent back to toil away in the reserves. I said it before but this is what we should have been doing 10-15 years ago with players we thought could potentially play league football.

TT in relation to the zone question, you have actually highlightted the problem -- the development of league players quite well. Why can't you accept the social demogrpahics plays a role in this for the PFC? There are other factors:

appointment of the wrong coaches
the establishment of alignment
the inability to recruit a key position since Brenton Cooper

but you must keep im mind the social demogrphics aspect. At Subi, we have Mirrabooka in our zone, the highest unemployed rate in the state with large scale dislocation. All our players come from the middle class areas, such as Carine, and have English surnames.

ArkRoyal you are in my opinion one switched on dude.
I say ditto to what this Subi supporter has written on this thread.

But just to add a thing or two...
Having so many clubs in our district cuts both ways, yes it might be a strong footy area but it also gives kids plenty of options to find a club where the level of commitment they are prepared to put in (maybe prepared by life to put in) is acceptable. Same goes with us being so close to our country zone - kids have options that kids who come down from Geraldton or up from Albany or over from Kal don't have.

As for the private schools, a lot of the good players are boarders who aren't even zoned to Perth.

ArkRoyal wrote: TT in relation to the zone question, you have actually highlightted the problem -- the development of league players quite well. Why can't you accept the social demogrpahics plays a role in this for the PFC? There are other factors:

appointment of the wrong coaches
the establishment of alignment
the inability to recruit a key position since Brenton Cooper

but you must keep im mind the social demogrphics aspect. At Subi, we have Mirrabooka in our zone, the highest unemployed rate in the state with large scale dislocation. All our players come from the middle class areas, such as Carine, and have English surnames.

South Perth
Como
Kensington
Victoria Park
East Vic Park
Lathlain
Are they deprived areas?
Is York more deprived than say Kojonup?

Tiger Tales wrote: Everyone's born with the same amount of talent Mr AFL. It's how kids are developed and how dedicated they are that sets them apart from their peers.

Perth has over the years had a number of quality players move through the junior development system, into colts and onto AFL list. Maybe this was achieved by these players inspite of the club they were zoned to rather than as a result of a good development pathway. Where Perth seem to have struggled over the last 30 years is developing the second tier of players which should form your League squad.

Does anyone know how many players each WAFL club currently has on AFL lists? Or how many AFL players each WAFL club has produced over the last 20 years?

TT your comment "Everyone's born with the same amount of talent " is patent nonsense.

Baz: Aside from the first two, all the rest you mention are working-class areas, along way from the Carine's and most certainly the Claremont's in their people's life outcomes.

I have always said that there is social deprivation in all zones. SD has a similar demographic to Perth's and they have only won two flags in the last twenty-five years.

My point to reiterate it is that the zone is a factor in the club's performance not the only factor , nor the deciding factor, but a factor never the less.

Bazza wrote:

Time For a Flag wrote: The club truely is in trouble and I thank JT for bothering to write about our plight. The problem I think and I stress only think comes from our weak zone and the sort of family support the players coming from these zones get. Further I like most WAFL supporters think there is a lot of under the counter payments being made to players from one or two certain clubs. A third problem I see with our situation is how our lack of success has made too many of our supporters look inwards to the club and blame people there for the lack of success. My firs two points are aimed at the WAFC. People are always on here hating one person or another at the Club. I could never understand the hate levelled against McMahon. Before that it was Jarmon, now it's Darryl Mann and Marty Atkins. I can even remember the last Pres who put shit loads of his own money and time into the club (Vince Pendal RIP) copping it big time. Before him it was the previous Pres who's name eludes me atm. But enough with hating the club people. It is a WAFC issue.
PS McMahon well and truely has the best win / loss ratio than any coach at Perth for 18 or 19 years

Sorry but I think a lot of the sentiment raised here of blaming everyone and thing outside the club is the reason why Perth has no success, as posted Perth have a huge amount of Junior Clubs, some highly successful Private Schools and associated Club, Trinity Aquinas/ Wesley in their zones, to say no other clubs have deprived areas is a cop out, South and Swans both have struggling areas in their zones, Coolbellup, Hamilton Hlll, Spearwood, Hilton Park, are not what you would call elite areas , nor is Tambellup.

Sorry Bazza you are not comparing apples with apples when you talk about Trinity, Aquinas and Wesley; or Guildford Grammar compared with Scotch, Christ Church Grammar.

swan42 wrote:

Tiger Tales wrote: Everyone's born with the same amount of talent Mr AFL. It's how kids are developed and how dedicated they are that sets them apart from their peers.

Perth has over the years had a number of quality players move through the junior development system, into colts and onto AFL list. Maybe this was achieved by these players inspite of the club they were zoned to rather than as a result of a good development pathway. Where Perth seem to have struggled over the last 30 years is developing the second tier of players which should form your League squad.

Does anyone know how many players each WAFL club currently has on AFL lists? Or how many AFL players each WAFL club has produced over the last 20 years?

TT your comment "Everyone's born with the same amount of talent " is patent nonsense.

Genetics has a very very small impact on athletic ability. In sports like football with a number of different roles which require different physical attributes it is even less important. Exposure to the required motor skills at a young age, quality training, sports strategy education, nutrition etc are what shapes ones ability.

If you've got short parents you're not likely to be a ruckman but no ones born knowing how to kick, mark and run. And just cause your quick doesn't mean you can find the footy or are tough enough to put your head over it to win it.

Only two of those suburbs you mentioned has a junior football club these days.