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Bazza I know SS have won two but I was talking about the decade between 97 - 06 where Vic teams won very few flags ....because BH seems to think the AFL has conspired against the non Vic sides, to make sure the Vic teams win 10 flags since 06....even though they have ploughed shit loads of money into their love child the GWS and GC to be successful and at the same time allowed SS extra perks in terms of salary cap allowances etc....

I am not too sure how the AFL was able to rig it, that enabled that great Hawks team to win a 3 peat or that equally great Geelong side to win 3 flags in 5 years....or even rig it for the WBD to play 4 sudden deaths on the trot and beat WCE in Perth, then reigning champs Hawthorn at their beloved MCG and then travel to Sydney to beat AFL love child GWS, than to top it off, beat cashed up SS to win the GF....fark me talk about conspiracy at its finest or what?...about as logical as a losing sides FB winning the Norm Smith medal....LOL

Freeze how did Rance play?...was a touch unlucky not to win the Norm Smith as I predicted he absolutely slaughtered the likes of Tex Walker & Jenkins thus totally destroying Adelaide's hopes of kicking a winning score yeah?

And secondly if the a(VFL) was serious about having a fair & equitable comp then 5 of those 11 GF's would have been played at either Subi, SCG or Adelaide rather than Richmond & Hawthorn's home ground considering the Interstate team had finished higher on the ladder than the local Vic mob....but no the a(VFL) went and signed a 50 year agreement to keep the Grand Final for themselves thus denying other states including the developing NSW and showing their true colours that they are not a true national comp and wont be until the GF is shared around the country and not kept for Victorians only!
So now you have 2 of the most ordinary Premiership sides in history in Richmond & Footscray winning flags because they have the advantage of playing at home despite not earning the right just because they happened to play an Interstate side....talk about being kissed on the Vic dick!

Freezin wrote: Bazza I know SS have won two but I was talking about the decade between 97 - 06 where Vic teams won very few flags ....because BH seems to think the AFL has conspired against the non Vic sides, to make sure the Vic teams win 10 flags since 06....even though they have ploughed shit loads of money into their love child the GWS and GC to be successful and at the same time allowed SS extra perks in terms of salary cap allowances etc....

I am not too sure how the AFL was able to rig it, that enabled that great Hawks team to win a 3 peat or that equally great Geelong side to win 3 flags in 5 years....or even rig it for the WBD to play 4 sudden deaths on the trot and beat WCE in Perth, then reigning champs Hawthorn at their beloved MCG and then travel to Sydney to beat AFL love child GWS, than to top it off, beat cashed up SS to win the GF....fark me talk about conspiracy at its finest or what?...about as logical as a losing sides FB winning the Norm Smith medal....LOL

This was discussed a bit on PR yesterday, I think there is something in it to say that the Victorian Clubs are probably going to have a run at a few flags going forward, with quite a few clubs lifting ratings, Essendon, Melbourne, Collingwood, Carlton won't stay down forever.. and with them playing most games at the MCG will be hard to beat come finals time. I cant see either WA teams having any impact in new few years, bookies already have both finishing well out of the 8 next year.

I have to agree though that the last two winning sides Richmond and Bulldogs are very ordinary sides, quite incredible they won tbh, Bulldogs flashed in the pan then bombed out this year, will Richmond have a massive Hangover in 2018, I reckon so.

Spin it anyway you want BH....you conviently forget that Etihad is WBD home ground....also WBD FLEW to play WCE in Perth for the elimination final, played Hawthorn the 3peat reigning champs at the Oval they had owned in September since 2012 called the MCG....then FLEW to Sydney to play GWS....then played an experienced harden GF side like SS and won....you call that the achievements of an ORDINARY side fark me .....

Imagine a GF at Subi oval.....farken boring and lifeless. 40K v 100K....fark me get out of ya insular Perth cocoon mate.....as for Rance great game BUT you picked Crows to win and Rance winning the Norm Smith.....like I have said the only chance Rance had of winning if Richmond won NOT lost....how in fark does a losing teams FB win a GF BOG?.....like I said however you want but you are speaking total bullshit about AFL conspiracies etc...

Have to agree a GF away from the MCG just would not be the same.
Albeit the new Perth Stadium is far far better concept than Subi,a GF at Subi would of been an embarrassment.
Rance was good early, but as Richmond had so much inside 50 as the game went on Martin well a truly dominated the second half so deserved it.

Freezin wrote: Spin it anyway you want BH....you conviently forget that Etihad is WBD home ground....also WBD FLEW to play WCE in Perth for the elimination final, played Hawthorn the 3peat reigning champs at the Oval they had owned in September since 2012 called the MCG....then FLEW to Sydney to play GWS....then played an experienced harden GF side like SS and won....you call that the achievements of an ORDINARY side fark me .....

Imagine a GF at Subi oval.....farken boring and lifeless. 40K v 100K....fark me get out of ya insular Perth cocoon mate.....as for Rance great game BUT you picked Crows to win and Rance winning the Norm Smith.....like I have said the only chance Rance had of winning if Richmond won NOT lost....how in fark does a losing teams FB win a GF BOG?.....like I said however you want but you are speaking total bullshit about AFL conspiracies etc...

How did they go this year Freeze? Was quite the spectacular fall from grace or actually more likely their actual rightful ladder position! Yep scraped into 7th or 8th last season, freshen up with the weeks bye break, win a few finals against opposition either on the way down or just not ready and end up with a home GF against the top side Sydney and a lets just say some favourable officiating on the day....yep they were kissed on the Vic dick mate!

The umpiring in the last two GFs has been a bloody rort, this year wasn't quite as bad as last year but can they make it any more obvious they want the fairy tale to come true?

Bazza wrote: The umpiring in the last two GFs has been a bloody rort, this year wasn't quite as bad as last year but can they make it any more obvious they want the fairy tale to come true?

19 to 25 this year, 8 to 20 last year.

LOL...yes Dr BH...spin doctor extroardinaire....so WBD were the only side who benefited from the bye?...and perhaps just perhaps this year the likes of WCE, Port, SS, Adelaide and GWS were fortunate to play WBD a "side on the slide" or " just not ready" like the WBD were lucky to play apparently last year...your argument doesnt make sense.....everyone knows at the start of the season the GF is played at the MCG.....has been for years from memory.....pretty sure Etihad is WBD home ground thus pretty sure SS and WBD played the GF at a neutral ground....as for the umps....geez the SS fans should be more upset with their multi millionaire dollar man Buddy for choking on the big day.....Or perhaps Hamling got lucky because Buddy is on the slide or just not ready finals wise yet LOL